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StayingAtTamaras · 26/04/2018 23:25

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TrippingTheVelvet · 28/04/2018 22:58

No faux outrage here either. It's disgust.

RavishMinoux · 28/04/2018 23:00

"but there really seems to be a lot faux outrage going on here. No my outrage isn't 'faux'. I'm actually outraged."

@dexra

But, and, I say this with the utmost respect and only as an observation and not as a judgment - you've been "outraged" on at least the last five full threads on MN for this subject. You've been one of the most persistent/insistent voices calling for these threads to be shut down for at least the last three or four days.

TrumpTrump · 28/04/2018 23:02

I would also like to donate to the fund for the little girls. Can someone post a link? Or LM me if not allowed. Smile

derxa · 28/04/2018 23:03

You've been one of the most persistent/insistent voices calling for these threads to be shut down for at least the last three or four days.
Nope. I've objected to comments because they make my blood boil. I don't call for threads to be shut down. I don't have the power to shut them down.

UrsulaPandress · 28/04/2018 23:04

I've checked and it seems to be only via facebook.

RavishMinoux · 28/04/2018 23:07

@dexra

"Nope. I've objected to comments because they make my blood boil. I don't call for threads to be shut down. I don't have the power to shut them down."

I think, with respect, we'll have to agree to disagree.

MynameisJune · 28/04/2018 23:07

Surely you can see the difference between people moaning about balloons being let off and shutting down an actual debate?

This thread isn’t about the rights or wrongs of helium balloons.

I’m actually outraged that people thought it was a good idea to moan about something a recently bereaved family have done.

Even if you don’t agree you can have compassion for their situation and keep it to yourself.

MarvelleGazelle · 28/04/2018 23:07

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SilverySurfer · 28/04/2018 23:08

You're right RavishMinoux They obviously feel compelled to show their one upmanship virtue signalling. It's best ignored.

BuntyII · 28/04/2018 23:10

Thanks for the link @FlyingBird

I've just clicked on the link to donate and I see Sarah Evans has donated.

derxa · 28/04/2018 23:13

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5648731/Alfie-Evans-parents-heartbroken-toddler-dies-three-days-without-life-support.html#reader-comments
It's quite strange that the comments on the DM are more compassionate than on MN - a parenting site.

MarvelleGazelle · 28/04/2018 23:14

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comehomemax · 28/04/2018 23:16

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dontbesillyhenry · 28/04/2018 23:19

Derxa why do you keep coming back then? To wind yourself up? To try and teach people ? To feel morally superior?

lunatunes · 28/04/2018 23:19

I think it's disgusting that people are choosing to have a pop at the family over the release of some balloons like they haven't got bigger things to worry about. Do you not think that they have been through enough?! Give them a break fgs and I say this as someone who is environmentally aware but there is a time and a place and the day that their baby has died isn't it!

Aridane · 28/04/2018 23:20

Well - this thread is going to get deleted (thank goodness)

RavishMinoux · 28/04/2018 23:20

"It's quite strange that the comments on the DM are more compassionate than on MN - a parenting site."

@dexra

You're quite right. I'd say that compassion found on any part of the Daily Mail website is "quite strange". Especially when you consider the unvarnished lies peddled by that media outlet about another young boy who died tragically, Alan Kurdi, and his family. It just goes to show that not all life is created equally, at least not in the eyes of the Daily Mail.

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/22/abdullah-kurdi-father-boy-on-beach-alan-refugee-tragedy

derxa · 28/04/2018 23:22

Derxa why do you keep coming back then? To wind yourself up? To try and teach people ? To feel morally superior? I don't agree with some posters and I will challenge them. I'm one out of millions on MN.

dontbesillyhenry · 28/04/2018 23:22

As badly as the family have acted at times they have been criticised constantly. Now their beloved baby has passed they are being criticised how they grieve for him. It's not fair

RavishMinoux · 28/04/2018 23:24

"And when we rebut these opinions that we disagree with, you class it as faux outrage. Are you suggesting anyone who finds these threads pretty depressing should go and find a like minded group and not debate? Why shouldn't battleax be here throughout with a differing opinion on the rubbernecking that's been running through these threads."

Please re-read my response.

I'll quote the salient bit from my comment, which I hope answers your question:

"..I was taught to {either} rebut an argument or opinion with which I disagreed."

comehomemax · 28/04/2018 23:25

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TrippingTheVelvet · 28/04/2018 23:39

Funny how it's Dexra who's being challenged on the balloon point when numerous people who have agreed with the threads have also criticised the whinging about the balloons.

derxa · 28/04/2018 23:45

Don't worry Tripping I'm old and ugly enough to take it Grin Please can we just acknowledge a family's grief. You might not like them or their actions but they've lost their son. I know that I'd be beside myself.
Let's debate another day.

MadameGrizzly · 28/04/2018 23:45

I am completely bamboozled and stumped by what seems like a loose cohort of folks on social media jumping from one horrible tragedy to the next horrible tragedy. I wonder why this is happening?

I think that being involved gives their lives meaning. In the past this meaning might have come from working or volunteering, more connected families and more cohesive communities. Now we have social media.

Particularly in deprived areas there is very little social cohesion - but the tragedy groups on FB have a common purpose and really strong cohesion. I saw a couple of AA posts along the lines of 'I've followed Alfie from the beginning!' The cause helped people feel good about themselves and important.

It's a shame that meaningful local projects couldn't be developed to create that cohesion instead - even well organised fund raising or volunteering where people have to leave their homes and interact with one another. I think the protests outside the hospital allowed for real life social interaction.

It's also a shame the little girl Kyrah is attached to the same hospital - the hospital desperately needs some respite from the attention.

I think Alfie's family gets a pass out on the balloons. They might be environmentally atrocious but they aren't illegal yet. For a family that struggles with literacy and won't be publishing long, beautifully crafted eulogies, the balloons in their theme colour are a really clear visual representation of how much Alfie meant to them.

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