Another grooming gang - Telford - up to 1000 girls as young as 11- going on for 40 years

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Cannot believe what I am reading. Again.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

Been going on for so long. And authorities did NOTHING.

'Council staff viewed abused and trafficked children as “prostitutes” instead of victims, according to previously unseen files'

Some have been murdered, to send a message to the other girls not to talk.

doesn't even begin to cover it.

When will we take girls and women seriously?

I am local.

I know several victims, survivors and their families. I recognise several perpetrators.

I am hugely grateful for the work Holly and Geraldine have put into getting the extent of the issue here uncovered and will support them in every way I can to get justice for as many of the affected as possible.

Here’s the petition link again for anyone who missed it upthread

www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-telford-needs-an-independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation

I can’t believe we’re so afraid of racism, we’re allowing children to be raped

@TheSacredCow

As far as I can see, people are terrified of being called racist because the elephant in the room is these gangs are almost entirely made up of men from a particular culture.

What I don't understand about this is that there is a tremendous amount of racism against Non-Muslim minority groups like Jews and Hindus nowadays - a lot of that stemming from the socioeconomically disadvantaged Muslims. What philosophy allows Muslims to continue their racism, allows racism against Non-Muslim Indians, Jews, East Asians, etc.. to go on unchecked, but supports Muslims?

I'm with you whynow I think non radial Muslims actually need to break away and form a new version/religion if they want to be looked at differently as to me being a member of a religion which has their stated aim to convert or destroy at any cost is, to me, just condoning what the radicals are doing. And, being fair here, I think Catholics who feel strongly about the cover up of child abuse should do the same. If you are not part of the solution then you will be seen as part of the problem.

However, I'm aware as an atheist, i may have different views to those who aren't.

They get away with it because if anyone speaks out they are scared of being labelled a racist, that’s the public, police, social s

It's not quite as clear cut as that, but yes, this absolutely does happen, I know it for a fact. The concerns are more about increasing racial tension, but it does cause services to behave with more trepidation. They want more evidence, more time, more 'certainty' - all of which adds up to failure to act.
And I kid you not, budgets come into this. They never should, but do. Manpower to monitor activities etc - the potential cost. This leads to being more selective about who to monitor and less chance of getting a result / conviction. The offenders know all the tricks too, they aren't stupid.

I hope those twats last week on here banging on about white privilege are hanging their heads in shame .

Which twats on where?

I saw this on the BBC today and wanted to share in case people hadn't seen it BBC.

I’m completely shocked by this. Hadn’t heard anything about it. I have signed and donated to the petition and shared it on my fb urging people to read up on it and sign too. Absolutely horrifying.

There was chatter in the middle of last year that apparently there was a massive paedophile ring being covered up in my town with hundreds of men including rich business owners. Nothings come out.

It’s funny people are scared to share this incase they are accused of racism. Why do they always seem to be Asian men abusing mostly white girls what’s going on there with race?

Is there anything connecting the victims and their families Flisspaps?

I'm wondering how many of the various victims of social services were themselves feminists. How many children stolen from traditional families and dumped into feminist approved ones. How many of the children raped were from traditional families, and whether more feminist minded ones were protected.

Those who have suffered abuse generally turn to feminism in later life.

There certainly seems to be some sort of ideology or policy at play. Simple minded lack of professionalism just doesn't explain it. Nor does incompetence... The omerta surrounding these obscenities points to fanatics.

Who but a fanatic would stay silent and allow more children to be raped? Who but a fanatic allow such things to continue even after being discovered in other towns?

Social workers have the power of life or death and we all know what absolute power brings.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. One abused child at a time...

You are sounding increasingly unhinged

Yes there is a global feminist conspriacy to get poor female children subjected to gang-rape so that in their trauma they too will become fanatical feminists.

You have hit the nail on the head.

@Spinflight yes. They were all female, all lived in Telford and were all raped as children by multiple men for financial gain.

That is the connection.

What the fuck is that rant about feminist social workers and children being snatched? I know at least one survivor's mother is a staunch feminist.

Your crackpot conspiracy theory, is quite frankly quite insulting.

Call me crazy all you like...

Why have there been no whistle blowers? Why have retired SS not spoken out? Why has the omerta lasted 40 years?

There have been whistle blowers.
You haven't actually read any of the news about this have you.

You have noticed that it has come out now, right?

The global feminist conspiracy to get girl children raped must have dropped the ball.

*Social workers have the power of life or death and we all know what absolute power brings.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. One abused child at a time...*

What utter nonsense.
Mistakes have been and will continue to be made. Teachers, police, youth leaders, members of the community and yes social workers miss signs, or get hoodwinked, or get embroiled in red tape, or have to make a judgement call that's subjective, emotive and sometimes wrong (with the benefit of hindsight).

You can wait for a child to be harmed or killed and THEN act, or you have to work with probabilities and educated guesswork and be proactive. There is always room for improvement, but what you rarely here is how literally tens of thousands of children are protected successfully by the above.

People on the "coal face" often seem to develop a disregard for the very people they are supposed to be helping, in all sorts of professions, and you can get awful local very strong cultures (ways of doing it) that are powerful and hard to see past.

The idea that social workers - feminist social workers no less - were engaged in a systematic removal of children from non feminist families to feminist families, and then the ones left with non feminist families were given to men to rape so that they'd be traumatised and turn into feminists is one of the more nutso things I think I've heard, well, probably ever.

the piece about what happened when the funding was cut was very powerful .

it went from caring / protection for vulnerable children to almost no-one caring overnight.

Those at the bottom are usually the first collaterol damage when funds are withdrawn.

"is one of the more nutso things I think I've heard, well, probably ever."

Personally I think pedophilic rape gangs being allowed to prey upon entire towns whilst the authorities charged to protect them turn a blind eye is the most nutso thing I've ever heard.

Interesting value system you have.

You keep saying that.

Last time it was after you decided that I was not only definitely a social worker, but had personally overseen the rape of girls and was guilty of female on female bullying, violence and sexual abuse.

Yes, your posts sound nutso.

"Personally I think pedophilic rape gangs being allowed to prey upon entire towns whilst the authorities charged to protect them turn a blind eye"

You said the authorities were in the thrall of radicalised feminists who didn't only not act, but deliberately handed girls over to be raped in order to traumatise them so that they would also become radical feminists.

Let's not forget that interesting theory of yours.

*Personally I think pedophilic rape gangs being allowed to prey upon entire towns whilst the authorities charged to protect them turn a blind eye is the most nutso thing I've ever heard.

Interesting value system you have.*

Prone to hyperbole much?

These gangs operate in secretive ways, often in communities that might suspect, but can feel intimidated, or simply unsure of that is actually going on.
Authorities don't have carte blanche to do as they please, they need to operate within the law (unlike the gangs who carry out this type of crime). Gathering evidence against streetwise and secretive gangs is NOT quite as easy as you might thing, and making an arrest of one single suspect can compromise a much larger operation aimed at catching a wider number of people.

Turning a blind eye? good grief. There are undoubtedly many factors that collude to allow these people to get away with crimes, but turning a blind eye isn't one of them, certainly not by professionals. The public sometimes turn a blind eye though - due to fear of, or actual intimidation.

It's a fucking outrage that this is still going on. I am 40. Grew up in Rotherham. Observed first hand the abuse of young girls. My friend was a support worker in a social services children's home. She left after 3 months as she couldn't stop the girls leaving to go with taxi drivers. My mums friend was abused. My school friend's were abused. My sisters school friends were abused.

The authorities did nothing because it was easier to do nothing than protect the girls. No one wanted to raise their heads above the parapet and be shot down because racist innit?

I can tell you that turning a blind eye because racist innit still goes on. I have moved outside of the town now and live on the outskirts but some of my family still live locally. I saw an example today of double standards (horrendous parking outside a mosque. Not 1 car but about 40. Access to a sheltered accommodation estate blocked. Complaints not listened to because everyone has a right to worship. But not half a mile down the road overstay by a few minutes on a meter and get a ticket).

I moved away after I reported a known local drug dealer for something terrifying. I saw him do it. The police pulled him 20 minutes later with the evidence on him still (baseball bat, metal bar, crow bar) but ' didnt have the evidence unless I gave a statement' but 'off the record be careful what you say because we can't guarantee a conviction and can't guarantee yours or your familes safety in this case'.

The same person 6 months later walked off with a caution for affray after being caught on cctv beating someone so badly they had their jaw rewired and a metal plate put in their skull.

The son of this man also horrifically abused a young girl they gave a date rape drug to. Filmed it and shared it on fb. There were 2 men there that night. 1 Pakistani muslim, 1 white british. The white british man did 6 months. Which is about 20 years too short. The Pakistani muslim man wasn't even charged despite him being filmed doing something to a semi concious girl I won't even type as it's horrific and triggering. Apparantly the fact that you see his face (and it was shared on fb and seized as evidence) wasn't enough proof. He denied everything with the shit hot solicitor paid for by his drug dealer father. The white british man was advised to plead guilty by the duty solicitor. Despite him not being seen on the video as he was filming it.

Yet the local 'problem' family can't fart without social services or the police getting involved. Am not saying that the police or social services shouldn't be involved with that family. Just that they don't ever get involved with other families who are of a different background for fear of being branded racist.

The problem isn't going to go away. And in 20 years we will be having the same conversation about the same thing. But it won't be Pakistani muslim men. It will be Roma gypsy men. Or men from other parts of eastern europe. Because in places like Rotherham they have dumped thousands of eastern European immigrants with a different culture and a different backgroud with no or little hope of work, no help with culture or integration, a poor attitude to women and left them to get on with it. They live in already run down, deprived areas and housing with historical crime and social problems, some of it to do with the poor integration of the Pakistani muslim community 30 years ago.

I moved because I don't want my kids growing up around that. My dd is 13. She left her old school in year 6. Her old school had 40% white british kids, 50% Pakistani muslim, 10% eastern European. She isn't in the slightest bit racist. She is also at much less risk of abuse now than where we used to live. Where I grew up.

If it was a trade between having racist kids or abused kids I would rather she be racist. Sadly the truth is that many of her old school friends and my nephews are racist because they have grown up in an area that could be called multi cultural. So the protection of the Pakistani community from charges and the difference in rules isn't helping racial relations it's making ot worse.

There were marches and protests in town the other year. Again fb footage and cctv of men, both white British and Pakistani men behaving horrendously. 3 british men did time for it.

It stinks. Not all Pakistani men abuse women and girls. But some do. And get away with it. They get away with it partly because the authorities are scared of being called racist. But also because the 'peace' in those communities is so fragile that the police don't want to charge anyone for anything as emotive as rape or child abuse as the repercussions can be horrific. Riots and beatings and racial tensions breaking out everywhere. So girls and women are sacrificed to keep the peace.

Frouby, and what did YOU do in the knowledge of all this?

Nothing. I was a child myself. I thought it was normal until I was about 27/28 and moved back home after some time living away.

Am not sure what I could do. Families were screaming at the police and social services for help. What would a 15 year old girl say to make a difference?

I was willing to give a statement re what I saw but was warned not to.

I offered to ring and complain about the parking situation but was told that at least once a month an ambulance can't get down. The police come and have a word with the Mosque. People stop parking their for a few days. Then it starts happening again.

The rest of the things I commented on were police cases. Not sure I can influence those.

It's not the people in these towns turning a blind eye it's the police and social services and councils. And it's certainly not my fault that when I was a child and teenager it was 'normal' for 13 year old girls to have 20 odd year old boyfriends. Or be collected from school by taxis. Or spend the weekend at 'parties'.

The fault lies with the men who abused them. And the authorities who allowed it to continue. Then 'lost' the files and evidence that would likely have found the authorities at least grossly negligent.

What would you have done TheBrilliantMistake? At 15? Or 13? Or even as a parent of a girl being raped every night? When the authorities said she was consenting in exchange for drugs and alcohol and cigarettes? Because at 13 every girl consents for 10 Regal and a 2 litre bottle of cider?