Another grooming gang - Telford - up to 1000 girls as young as 11- going on for 40 years

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Cannot believe what I am reading. Again.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

Been going on for so long. And authorities did NOTHING.

'Council staff viewed abused and trafficked children as “prostitutes” instead of victims, according to previously unseen files'

Some have been murdered, to send a message to the other girls not to talk.

doesn't even begin to cover it.

When will we take girls and women seriously?

I can't answer for Frouby, but in a different town the staff at my school tried to do something. An informal group of women teachers in the school where I worked were horrified by the way moslem girls were being forced to marry their cousins or other close relatives. We were all too afraid to speak out because we needed our jobs and previous attempts had met with the inevitable, admittedly rather feeble, attempts had been met with cries of racism. Moslem men were very vocal in the local political party who ran things.

One of our group was retiring and so felt emboldened to go and speak to our local MP. She explained to him exactly what it was like for our moslem girl pupils and he told her to be very careful that she wasn't being racist.
Thankfully there is now an organisation, Karma Nirvana, which helps these girls, but they have to be very brave to stand up against their family and the wider society that they live in where they are constantly told that the worst thing that can happen to them is that they behave like English girls. In this atmosphere it is no wonder that their brothers treat English girls as if they are nothing. Who is racist ?

There not their. Ffs.

@Frouby

frouby
That was so powerful and terrifying at the same time
Well done
Given the shit that some people are posting just “good for you”
💐

Thank you both for the flowers. But honestly I was one of the lucky ones. I wasn't targeted by the grooming gangs and neither were my sisters or cousins. My step dad was friendly with local Pakistani community and I assume we were left alone because of that. We were lucky.

Not everyone was though. And I could tell you some horrific stories. But even repeating them factually makes people suck their teeth and mutter about racism. Which is why it happened in Rotherham and Rochdale and Telford and in towns up and down the country. Because being called racist by the authorities and judged for being racist is nearly as bad as being called a paedophile.

I remember my mums friend crying at the kitchen table because her daughter (we would have been about 14) was 'messing about with the pakis'. Her husband was raging over it. Her dd was sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night. Her husband wanted to find the men and confront them. The wife was terrified of repercussions. Social services said there was nothing they could do except take her into care or place her with a temporary foster family but she was probably 'safer' at home. The police cautioned the dad against 'doing anything stupid'.

This was a nice, normal family. Ss had never been involved. The dad worked full time, mum worked part time in the local primary school kitchen. They lived around the corner from us. The daughter was my friend and we slept at each others houses.

The man abusing her owned the local taxi rank. Was a religious man. Wife and a couple of kids. It ended after about 6 months. She was pregnant at the time and had her baby as we finished year 10. The baby changed things I think. As far as I know the father never had anything to do with the baby and disowned her. She was lucky I suppose.

Our community was never perfect. Poverty and drugs and crime and deprivation. Rotherham never really recovered from the pits and the steel works closing. But shove a few thousand immigrants from a different culture and a different religion with appalling attitudes to women in the middle of it all and tell the locals to be welcoming and integrate or be accused of racism doesn't work when the culture moving in doesn't want to integrate and sees white women as sluts. When they don't want to live by the rules and laws of the country they moved to. When their own culture already has massive issues. When the authorities are too cowardly to enforce the laws they are meant to enforce.

Unless you grew up in that area and in that time it's difficult to articulate just what it was like. Looking back now it's terrifying. But to us as kids it was just normal. I moved away for a few years when I was in my 20s and it was only when I moved back with a baby dd that I realised it wasn't normal. Then the sex abuse scandal broke and everything we saw and knew as kids came back. My dsis is 18 months younger than me and we talked about the things we knew back then. She said it wasn't shocking at the time to us as we grew up with it, but the adults around us should have been horrified. The thing is they were. But not all were shocked that young girls were being sexually abused. They were more ashamed and shocked that white girls were 'involved' with Pakistani men. Because although you might not admit you were racist, most people were.

And that was part of the problem for the police and authorities. They knew that it wouldn't take much to tip the balance from begrudging tolerance most of the time to a serious race related problem. I remember a couple of times as a young child houses and streets being attacked by white 'mobs' and being kept in a few times 'until things calmed down'.

I could go on all day about what it was like back then. And still is now. The Us and Them mentality. The racism from both sides. The fact that the authorities still seem to turn a blind eye. And it will happen again with a different culture because in London and big cities you have so many different nationalities and religions and ways of life that different is normal. In a small town with its own poverty and own issues you add a different set of issues and a different culture you won't get integration. You get division and hatred and racism and more poverty. And all this hatred and division leads to the most vulnerable people, young girls, being abused and isolated and familes powerless and the authorities too scared to act.

@Frouby I've no idea why I wasn't targeted - I am surrounded by people I know well who were done if the worst affected. And I would have been considered 'vulnerable'.

Sheer luck is what I think it is.

I think it was a mix of sheer luck and circumstance with us @Flisspaps. Me and my sister were into ponies so not really knocking around the estate much. We lived right in the middle of the Pakistani area so maybe too close to home. And my stepdad worked for the local takeaway as a driver and was friendly with the taxi rank owner too so maybe that helped. I don't know.

A lot of the girls targeted that I know of lived on the council estate up the road. Or in the next council estate. These were rough estates with their own problems so maybe girls were more vulnerable from areas like that. Maybe they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And it wasn't just Pakistani men abusing girls either. White British men also abused young girls. I think Rotherham had the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe at one point as well as the youngest pregnancy. I think that girl was 12?

But by some it was seen as OK as long as the girls 'weren't messing around with Pakis'. I hate the phrase 'broken Britain' but Rotherham in the 80s and early 90s in some areas was broken. And it will be the same in other areas. The industries went. Nothing came to replace it.

I saw a massive difference when Tax Credits came out. People wanted to work again because they were better off working even part time in a minimum wage job. I worry that Universal Credit and the attitude of society towards those that claim benefits and poverty and food banks and housing shortgages will push us and other places like us back 30 years.

There is no fucking way Spinflight is a "scullery wench." We can see your male pattern typing douche canoe.

I know this really upsets me. I know the misogyny, entitlement, hate & addictive culture lies deep in Uk & elsewhere. Need bystander training & info re grooming etc is a big issue & need to protect kids and not have loads of people attending home etc. Taxis have to watch as well. There have been cases in France & Reading re Norway. There is a real lack of empathy as well when try to get any help.
I try to campaign re child abuse etc & pple put children/ young adults at risk with family, friends, strangers etc. The amount of pple who have been abused or say they have been as well as pple telling me. Got a taxi and guy said looking for virgin. Honestly so scary all of it especially as a parent. There is a cognitive dissonance as teachers are addicts, have parties etc. Parents protect is a great sight.

Political correctness is a feminist theory of social change.

More correctly the American left generally, at least initially, though feminists were the primary advocates.

I've been trying to think of the best way to fairly represent the relationship between immigration proponents and feminists.

What is certainly true is that they came from the same radical movements, shared many theoretical constructs and were always allies. Particularly with second wave feminism.

Would it be fair to say that feminists were themselves responsible for lobbying for immigration? Not entirely, though they rarely, maybe never, disagreed, saw them as an equally progressive force and swapped favours even if the two were technically separate movements.

I think simplistic thinkers think that moves to benefit all minorities are equally laudable. Without actually thinking it through.

And “not discriminating” against us not the same as giving them a free pass for illegal behaviour

So much of our social controls, particularly in the sexual sphere, are cultural informal rules. It’s a delicate balance and importing a large group with different informal rules will destabilise it.

Spinflight, and your point is?
You seem to be suggesting that feminists support of immigration is somehow related to this case? Is it because you see 'Asians' as immigrants, despite many being born in the UK?

Can you explain in simple terms what your actual point is?

"Is it because you see 'Asians' as immigrants, despite many being born in the UK?"

My point is that your abusive question is of similar form to that which would be asked of anyone trying to protect the girls in Rotherham, Telford etc.

Given the witness account above, who I note you sought to shame when she deserves nothing but our compassion, clearly shows where your priorities lie.

*My point is that your abusive question is of similar form to that which would be asked of anyone trying to protect the girls in Rotherham, Telford etc.

Given the witness account above, who I note you sought to shame when she deserves nothing but our compassion, clearly shows where your priorities lie.*

Good heavens, talk about straw-manning.
I will repeat the question, what point are you try to make when you express there is a link between feminism and immigration. It's not a difficult question to answer is it? - yet you've failed to answer it.

Regarding my question to the lady previously, I asked what SHE did about her observations of abuse. This should be a question we all ask in society - if we see abuse, what do WE do about it. As it happens, she was a child at the time, and that's a very different matter, but as adults we should all be asking what part we play in turning a blind eye, or not reporting things.

Do you disagree with that? Do you think it wrong to ask what she did about it? As soon as she explained she was a child at the time, there was no need to ask anything.

You've shown zero compassion, only antagonism.

Another week another court case:

Oxford.

You'll only see it on the BBC's local Oxford section of their news website though.

Just a local issue for local people..

viewing women as "just prostitutes" is institutional misogyny.

We need a revolution.

People are more scared of being branded as racist so they do nothing its bloody obsene

What is needed is for more women from misogynistic minorities to speak up. They have to be brave though-
This is from Jaswinder Sanghera at Karma Nirvana

Thousands are prevented from integrating. Victims we hear r deemed to be shameful for embracing rights/freedoms. When are we going to tackle the bigotry that exists in communities where there is not a respect for humanistic & British Values?

I'm very angry. This has been happening for sooo long. I can tell you from personal experience. We came from a middle class background (father Dr) and my sister at 15 got caught up in a gang of this horrid lot back in the early 2000's. The same thing happened. Indian takaway, loaded her with gifts, much older guy and friends. She was was going to go to Gretna Green to get married under 16 FFS.
There were others too she got involved with hanging around near the school and college.
Then there was me who was set upon in Southern France by a gang at around the same age. (North African gang) They forced me to do stuff behind a wall.......It RUINED me. I became so depressed and stopped going out and socialising. In the end my parents moved.
I'm 38 now but at times relive it when these horrid things come to light.
It seemed as though it was all my fault back then, as if I'd been the stupid one or my sister.

I am so angry that 20 years on this shit is still happening. It has to stop.
These are not made up stories that will go away. They are organised and think they are untouchable.
It is destroying lives and futures and these memories will linger on forever in the minds of these poor girls.

This is epidemic and has been for years.

and just to add. I married a black guy ( UK born/christian origins) and have 3 mixed race children. I hate racism in all it's forms. I also hate turning a blind eye to people who are so outwardly criminal in this way and think they can use their religion, colour or ethnicity to get away with it. (and that works both ways).

OMG frouby, just reading through you comments which ring so true to my posts. :(

Frouby, morning, thank you. It is so important to hear your voices.

@ConferencePear

This is why I find the accusations of Islamophobia to be mostly unfounded. The reality of the situation in the UK is that Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims and Jains all have their own seperate communities due to centuries of living seperately - India hasn't gone through centuries of depilliarisation or secularisation (e.g. France) and hence the communities exist.

The fact that Muslims get a tremendous amount of support from left-wing outlets and Hindu charities says a lot about the situation with Muslims in the UK. Muslims get more support than Non-Muslims.

That organisation was founded to help Hindu Indians deal with their social issues, as the name suggests, but it's dealing with social issues from all over the world (notable the Muslim world too).

Questions as to how H Weinstein gets nabbed while this stuff in Telford doesn't makes sense when you realise

1. The UK has a strong bullying culture. So Weinstein and to some extent Spacey are getting bullied by the press and us over this - and quite rightly if it's all true - because they can be singled out. But we in the UK are not good at all at targeting public bodies or anything that is the Local Authority or Police, because they cover for each other and it then seems to be you against The System. It appears Left Wing, which doesn't have a pedigree of success in this country.

2. Local Councils are big on the cover up and prime in this is anonymity. It's very hard to get a local press story going because they all hide behind the official spokesperson. Local Safeguarding heads - for adult social care (i.e. failing care homes) are never named and shamed in the press. Look at the reporting of the closure of Merok Park in Banstead, Surrey in late 2014. Nobody from Surrey County Council named over that at all.

3. Local Councils hate and despise the public anyway, so you can imagine how they regard the elderly, who contribute nothing and cost them a fortune. Same goes for white working class girls who appear to be putting it about a bit, even though they've been groomed. Leave well alone is the answer.

4. The local press is underfunded and can't afford to take on rich local Councils who can sue and use taxpayers money to pay legal costs - AND damages.

5. Such local stories are beneath the London-centric national media and to be fair they're not in the national interest either until they blow up, Grenfell-style, into a hard-to-ignore national scandal.

All that's said on this thread about making the complainer into the accused, victim-blaming, is all true. My angle on this is adult social care - Surrey's Safeguarding teams ignore any concerns raised by relatives about the care homes, anything up to and including your parent's death. However, any minor piddling little thing you do becomes a Safeguarding concern raised against you, despite how many times you've personally saved your parent's life, because the Council - in cahoots with the care homes - use spurious Safeguarding concerns as a way of containing and intimidating blameless relatives. Again, they hate and fear the general public, doesn't matter who you are.

Finally, it's the complete lack of accountability of local authorities overall. You take your complaint to the Local Govt Ombudsman and it exonerates the Council of all wrongdoing, no matter what evidence you've provided. It's a piss take.