Another grooming gang - Telford - up to 1000 girls as young as 11- going on for 40 years

[gluteustothemaximus]

Cannot believe what I am reading. Again.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

Been going on for so long. And authorities did NOTHING.

'Council staff viewed abused and trafficked children as “prostitutes” instead of victims, according to previously unseen files'

Some have been murdered, to send a message to the other girls not to talk.

doesn't even begin to cover it.

When will we take girls and women seriously?

[Italiangreyhound]

Signed petition.

War on women and girls continues

[applefalls]

I have observed that currently, the worst possible thing you can call a British middle class person is ‘racist.’

I’d venture to add a colossal dose of class-based (post-Brexit?) loathing for the white working classes.

It is the only explanation I can believe; anything else leaves me in despair at the unspeakable indifference shown to these poor girls.

The noise made by the black dress luvvies and the victims they fetishise is in chilling and disgusting contrast to this relative silence.

And the media should be bloody ashamed.

[Netfish]

I’d venture to add a colossal dose of class-based (post-Brexit?) loathing for the white working classes. Right. So in a roundabout way you are blaming Brexit for the fact that people don't care enough about these poor girls? If I understand right this has been happening for over 40 years, well before Brexit and the class system is deeply entrenched in British society and consciousness. The EU as a body, however, much less so. One thing we can safely assume that when we Brexit and the country becomes more chaotic and poor, many more girls will be at risk than today.

[Netfish]

I have observed that currently, the worst possible thing you can call a British middle class person is ‘racist.’
Being a racist is pretty despicable, wouldn't you say so? There can be no place for racism in a multicultural society. Britain has colonised and exploited several continents and we needn't be surprised that we have people from former colonies living in Britain today.

[Meandyouandyouandme]

Signed the petition, and donated, women just seem powerless, what more can we do?

[applefalls]

Netfish being a racist and being afraid of being called a racist on the basis of ideological diffences are two quite different things.

I’m certainly not a racist and I don’t knowingly entertain other racists, of any background.

I’ve been lucky enough to live and go to school in truly multicultural societies; I do not believe what I see in places like Telford are examples of healthy, working multiculturalism. I see little mixing, socially or at school; I don’t know of much true friendship between people of different backgrounds and there’s very little evidence of understanding, cultural exchange and respect.

Britain has colonised and exploited several continents and we needn't be surprised that we have people from former colonies living in Britain today.

Yup, I’m one of them.

It’s hardly an excuse to rape young girls though is it?

[SnibbleAgain]

"The noise made by the black dress luvvies and the victims they fetishise is in chilling and disgusting contrast to this relative silence."

This really bothers me - along with the things in that post that have already been raised.

So is it that women in the public eye aren't allowed to talk about being abused? Is it that when they are wealthy they aren't allowed to talk about being abused? This stuff about "fetishising" victims is repulsive given that many of the women who have acted around this have been victims themselves.

It's this perfect victim thing - as soon as any women anywhere act to try to make a dent in this in any way - they're told they're doing it all wrong.

I also don't believe that the majority of the british public actively believe it's a positive thing to torture, rape and even murder young girls, even if they are poor or from difficult backgrounds. Sure our society is sexist, classist, racist, that is a step too far though.

[SnibbleAgain]

"I’d venture to add a colossal dose of class-based (post-Brexit?) loathing for the white working classes.

It is the only explanation I can believe;"

Not that women and chldren are at risk of abuse including sexual from men, generally, there are factors that mean they are more or less at risk, but bottom line is, it's men doing it.

Are you going to blame what happened with John Worboys on a visceral loathing of the white working classes? Black cabs are fucking expensive.

[applefalls]

Of course they are allowed to talk, and so they should. Shout (as they do) from the rooftops about the hideous sexual exploitation in the entertainment industry.

The privilege they have of eloquence, captive audience, profile, media coverage etc etc is being used for a very narrow sector of society.

It’s not being used to highlight the plight of working class white and Sikh young girls being drugged, raped, passed around and murdered by rape gangs.

Where are the voices on their behalf?

Whatever the opinion of ‘British public,’ there’s little vocal outrage and the media are virtually silent.

[applefalls]

Are you going to blame what happened with John Worboys on a visceral loathing of the white working classes? Black cabs are fucking expensive.

Please correct me if I missed it, but I don’t remember the rightful outrage about JW being silenced in case anyone in the (fucking expensive) black cab community felt demonised, marginalised, misunderstood, culturally insulted etc. Nor were this who spoke out about it suddenly the ones with unpalatable or cabbist views.

[SnibbleAgain]

Oh interesting.

The women reported and were turned away for years.

This is two entirely different situations but in both cases the men were left to offend for years due to inaction by the authorities.

[SnibbleAgain]

How many men have been arrested off the back of all the film industry stuff?

I've not heard of any.

These situations are different in so many ways but have one thing in common - men sexually exploiting and abusing those with less power than them.

To pretend this is all due to racism is to ignore the misogyny
To pretent this is all due to classism is to ignore the misogny

These thing mix together to form incredibly toxic situations but at the root of them is misogyny - ignoring that won't get anyone anywhere.

[SnibbleAgain]

The authorities did in fact say that "a black cab driver wouldn't do that" so he was protected because of who he was.

There's always a reason to ignore the victims and protect the men found, from what I can see.

[whataboutbob]

I’d be interested to know how if at all they tackle the subject of culture specific child/ women sexual exploitation on Social Work courses. Also in Police training.

[Spinflight]

"I’d be interested to know how if at all they tackle the subject of culture specific child/ women sexual exploitation on Social Work courses. Also in Police training."

They seem to be tackling it very efficiently. Took 40 years to find out how efficiently.

[SnibbleAgain]

I don't think they are.

I read that authorities in Telford are still rejecting idea that anything went wrong, that any mistakes were made (at least they were last week)

Report from another town recently says this will be happening all over UK, I don't see other places putting their hands up and saying they will review their files etc and see whether with hindsight there was a pattern that was missed/ ignored, and follow up.

Telford came out because of newspaper investigation.

I bet loads of places are in fact quietly getting rid of files, meeting with people and saying we need to handle this, how do we cover it up.

Call me cynical but it's happened too many times to believe it won't this time.

[SnibbleAgain]

If you believe that the police suddenly care about these girls then you're naive imo.

The police make it clear over and over that sex related crimes are not interesting to them, and these girls in the main area at the bottom of the heap. Remember that they failed to act with girls who were targeted who were not from difficult backgrounds/ in care etc. (Though most were). Our society just has some awful ways it views girls once hit puberty.

[SpringMayHaveSprung]

I noted the splash the BBC gave to the exaggerated numbers claim from the police chief.

The Mirror, and in the past the Times, deserve a hell of a lot of credit for covering these related, nationwide events. The rest of the media really try to play it down.

[Spinflight]

You aren't cynical...

Once is happen chance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.

The thing that interests me is that I never heard of anyone being fired over Rotherham. Yeah... I'm merely asking about people losing their jobs over, oh dear whoopsie me I allowed 1500 schoolgirls to be raped.

Hmmm. I do recall their director of SS being cornered and insisting that she would not resign.

And... why would she?

Another interesting aspect is that the religion was indirectly and directly blamed. For Ukip etc this was Muslim rape gangs. That the Muslim ideology was therefore evil.

So... What do we call the ideology of the SS then? Seems to be familicidal state sponsored terrorism, paid for by your taxes.

Maybe if we name it then we will recognise it in future.

[SnibbleAgain]

I still assert that the misogyny is the biggest issue

With racism and disregard for those considered to be lower down in society as an important second.

If the racism and classism are dealt with then girls will still continue to be raped as CSA, grooming girls etc happens across the whole of societyy.

I know it is annoying for people who want to make this about class war or muslims or whatever when feminists keep saying over and over and over, the modus operandii varies, the attitudes vary (a bit), but the bottom line is that it is almost always men, and the victims are almost always women and children, in this case and usually girls, and these are the groups that are low in the pecking order.

Girls are not considered reliable, they are considered likely to lie, exaggerate, they are blamed for "sexual irrepsonsility" when men prey on them. When there are articles about teenage pregnancy in the UK they never say "and police are looking into who the fathers of the babies born to mothers under 16 are". Never. This is across the board.

It happens amongst middle & posh girls as well but their families tend to pay their way out of it and are very good at not involving the authorities.

Recently there was a case where a man had contacted a ?12 yo girl on net and persuaded her to send him a topless picture. The girl told the mum and they went to the police. Police statement said they were possibly going to press charges on the girl for distributing underage porn and they did NOT MENTION THE MAN AT ALL.

MN view from majority posters was that the police were doing the right thing.

???????????????????????

I was boggled. MISOGYNY is the first and foremost issue here, and an utter inability across society to name the problem.

[Spinflight]

Misogyny from female social workers deliberately failing to protect young girls?

Don't see how...

This is the thing, when something is fundamentally unexplainable you can either blame madness or something that doesn't fit. Misogyny doesn't even close to fit.

Contempt for those who the SS viewed as a lower social status maybe... Some sick form of bullying?

Over 40 years we are talking about a lot of different social workers and a lot of different coverups. SS are almost exclusively female.

Sorry sisterhood but this is female on female violence / failure to act / bullying / sexual abuse. Yes foreign males were involved but those charged to protect were complicit to the point of enabling it.

At what point do we start to wonder whether this has actually happened everywhere?

If it has then it is a matter of policy or ideology.

[Spinflight]

Actually I was probably being unfair there so I will amend it.

40 years ago the first attacks were likely due to misogyny. Of that and only that part I will agree.

The cover up since and the enabling is the real crime here.

[SnibbleAgain]

Oh wow

So you are 100% blaming any women involved working at SS police etc and not any men.

You seem to be claiming that SS women were actively working to get these girls abused. While clearly they were crap, I think saying that there was an ideological drive in SS to hand working class girls over for these men to abuse is a bit much. I think it's more that they didn't see it as abuse, because they saw the girls as tarts, basically, and troublemakers. Rather than as vulnerable children.

The idea that SS were complicit in murder is a bit far isn't it?

Incidentally, you seem to have an issue with women who are not working class, is that about right? Given your comments earlier about women who were abused by powerful men in the entertainment industry.

"At what point do we start to wonder whether this has actually happened everywhere?"

Have you not been following the news? Yes this has happened everywhere. And where there aren't gangs of this type, there will be other types of men preying on vulnerable girls. This happened where I grew up. The difference is in the gang aspect, the scale, the organisation, the reach. Make no mistake though that vulnerable girls are being abused by all sorts of men, everywhere, and being non working class does not mean you are not vulnerable.

I think we might need to agree to disagree though. Feel free to consider this in complete isolation from all the other large scale abuse stories that have come out over the last decade, and also without considering the stats around sexual violence in the UK and how many girls and women are affected.

[Spinflight]

"Incidentally, you seem to have an issue with women who are not working class, is that about right? Given your comments earlier about women who were abused by powerful men in the entertainment industry."

I haven't made any comments about women in the entertainment industry that I can recall.

"The idea that SS were complicit in murder is a bit far isn't it?"

So complicit in 1000s of paedophilic rapes but suggesting a murder ( which I don't recall doing) is too far?

Interesting value system you have.

You will pardon my utter disgust at your apologism m'Lady tugs forelock

I know a mere serving wench shouldn't question her betters.

[SnibbleAgain]

WTF?

Have you not heard the saying that when it comes to women, the authorities only care when we're dead (and often not even then)?

Yes SS and the police were complicit.

You said that SS must have had a policy of wanting the rapes and murder to happen, based on female on female bullying. Can't you see how mad that sounds? And you don't beleive there were any men involved in any of this at all apart from the perps?

So, SS and the police are all female, women are pretty awful and female on female bullying is common, so SS and the police etc (women only) had a policy to ensure that working class girls that they hated were raped and murdered.

Uh-huh.

What is all this tugging forelock stuff about? People get really angry when it's pointed out that sexual abuse of women and girls is prevalent across our society and that all sorts of different types of men carry it out. Usually people with an agenda who are using the abuses of women and girls to try to make a point about something else.

Apologies the person who was so nasty about women who were abused by powerful men in the entertainment industry was not you, she has not visited the thread since you arrived but your views sound very similar so I mixed you up.