Another grooming gang - Telford - up to 1000 girls as young as 11- going on for 40 years

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Cannot believe what I am reading. Again.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

Been going on for so long. And authorities did NOTHING.

'Council staff viewed abused and trafficked children as “prostitutes” instead of victims, according to previously unseen files'

Some have been murdered, to send a message to the other girls not to talk.

doesn't even begin to cover it.

When will we take girls and women seriously?

"40 years ago the first attacks were likely due to misogyny. Of that and only that part I will agree.

The cover up since and the enabling is the real crime here."

How were the initial attacks not "real crimes".

So that is your angle right there on the thread. You see this as an opportunity to push an agenda which has little to do with those abused. The initial victims were victims of "real crimes".

Jesus.

So rape of girls doesn't matter until the point that you can use it as a useful prop in an argument about something else.

It is scandalous and the lack of headlines it's had is truly despicable. If the perpetrators weren't asian/muslim and the girls not poor and white , this would be the top headline on the news.

It's sickening. Those poor children. young girls and women. DH and I were ranting about it all the other morning. The BBC needs to take a look at itself in terms of it's policies and obviously this needs to be completely investigated and the guilty brought to account and the victims supported. How this managed to continue in the light of the focus that was brought in relation to Rotherham is astounding.

I think the press has got bored with stories about sexual abuse and so to an extent have the public.

Lots of people aren't really interested. Is my take.

I also believe that the "authorities" are not really interested in any form of sexual abuse / crime as there's so much of it, it is "hidden" so doesn't cause much grief to the "general public" (unlike burglery or something), and the atttiudes that these girls are "asking for it" is widespread.

Some apology for your mistake..

Geez. Maybe you should become a social worker? :)

Which, yes, is a valid point. Obliquely.

Social work is a profession. As any professional knows ( even a scullery wench like me) you have a duty to your profession to report misdemeanors and unprofessional behaviour.

Rotherham, Doncaster, Newcastle, Telford.... 40 years.

The idea you see m'Lady is that unprofessional behaviour demeans your profession, it's collective responsibility for the upkeep of public trust for which you receive certain privileges such as being judged by your peers.

So you admit that the SS and Police ( all those male child protection officers ) were complicit. Across at least 4 large areas and 40 years.

But nothing to see here... Move along... It's the fault of the Patriarchy.

Tell you what sweetcheeks, you tell me what their motive was. I'm starting to think you might know more about this than you let on. Or you are a social worker trying to cover up the depravity in your rank and file.

Do you have any concept of the revulsion you generate in me by denying this abuse? I am angry at the injustice, your position is abhorrent.

Snuggle where is the post being nasty about those abused in entertainment industry?

I'm asking because I mentioned it but for me it's terms of the difference in media attention.

Ive not seen anyone being nasty to victims of abuse so your whole post made no sense.

(Apologies if my eyesight is at fault here.)

Snibble not Snuggle!

"The noise made by the black dress luvvies and the victims they fetishise is in chilling and disgusting contrast to this relative silence."

Many of the women who have been part of all that have been victims themselves.

I think that the atttiude of a lot of the public towards those women is "casting couch has been around forever, these women knew what they were getting into, they wanted the money"

Attitude to girls in these abuse scandals is "they knew what they were getting into, they got something out of it, they were off the rails anyway"

Attitude of victims of 70s celebrities was that they were "groupies" and "looking for it"

Attitude of victims of explotation by charity workers overseas is "why not? those men were not doing anything wrong and they were paying, the women benefitted"

Attitiude of victims to john worboys was "you're making it up or imagining it - a cab driver wouldn't do that"

Attitude to victims of religious organisations "you're making it up - a man of god wouldn't do that"

And so on and so forth

Thanks for replying. I'll look at all this again when I have the time. I appreciate you taking time to answer.

Attitude of victims of any sex crime less than violent rape (and / or murder)

You're making a fuss
Anyone could see they were dodgy
What were you doing there anyway

With these girls the "what were you doing there anyway" is a big one. A lot of people trying to blame the parents with that one, again taking the focus off the perpetrators.

I think with sex crime it's so prevalent and our culture normalises it so massively and refuses to name the problem that it's ripe for sweeiping ut under the carpet / turning a back, and most especially when there are other things at play -

Racism
Classism
Funding squeezes encouraging people not to poke at anything that looks complicated or involved, to focus on the "quick wins"
And of course underpinning it all, a general apathy about sex crimes and women and children (and often men and boys when they are victims as well)

The circles you choose hang around in must be truly depraved SnibbleAgain.

I've never heard anyone mention the vile attitudes you claim are commonplace.

Really?

Never?

Interesting.

You have never heard any of these?

Seriously?

The worboys one there is documentary evidence

And I thought it was common knowledge that victims of clergy / saville etc were told to shut up.

Very odd.

"I think that the atttiude of a lot of the public towards those women is "casting couch has been around forever, these women knew what they were getting into, they wanted the money"

Attitude to girls in these abuse scandals is "they knew what they were getting into, they got something out of it, they were off the rails anyway"

Attitude of victims of 70s celebrities was that they were "groupies" and "looking for it"

Attitude of victims of explotation by charity workers overseas is "why not? those men were not doing anything wrong and they were paying, the women benefitted"

Attitiude of victims to john worboys was "you're making it up or imagining it - a cab driver wouldn't do that"

Attitude to victims of religious organisations "you're making it up - a man of god wouldn't do that""

You could look at the various attitudes survey if you want to see what % of the public place some or all of the blame on victims of sex crimes, in different circs.
It's probably easily google-able.

The only truly vile attitudes I've seen displayed Snibble are your own.

Clearly your circle of friends have similar.... Which I find worrying as I have a nagging suspicion that you might be a social worker trying to limit the extent of that professions culpability.

As I mentioned above professions rely upon public trust. If you are a SW and your work colleagues share your vile outlook then that could explain the coverups and abuse?

Could it not?

Child sexual exploitation and abuse should be investigated in every town, city, village in the UK. Once the lid is blown off then our society needs to step up and stop it.

No girl should be blamed, the actions against girls should be minimised, there needs to be a revolution to stop this. Attitudes need to change. It should be all over the news, heads should roll (metaphorically).

Signed

I don't think anyone anywhere will disagree with a word you say 0ccams..

Being angry is one thing but, crucially, what does one do on a personal level?

What action can we all take individually to ensure that society steps up and stops it?

As we've seen in the past society did not step up and stop it. If we don't do something then evidently it will carry on. Just as it did in Telford years after Rotherham.

lol @idea that I am a social worker who has ? been involved in handing girls over to be raped and murdered because of female on female bullying.

You're taking this a bit far.

I know that you don't like to even consider the idea that the attitude in our society towards post pubescent girls and sex (and abuse - the two are usually conflated) is troubling and at the heart of this, with racism and classism a close second,

But to accuse someone who disagrees with you of being directly involved in covering up abuse is taking things just a tad too far.

I think you have overstepped.

Spinflight apparently what you do on a personal level is go on websites frequented by women and accuse feminists of being personally involved in running an orchestrated campaign of rape against girls and then covering it up.

All because said feminist points out that sex offences against women and girls (and boys and men) are often handled extremely badly in the UK as the authorities just aren't interested.

How do you think your approach is going to help matters?

"Sorry sisterhood but this is female on female violence / failure to act / bullying / sexual abuse"

Missed that - apparently I am personally guilty of committing female on female bullying, violence and sexual abuse -

Because I disagree with you on the internet.

Why does a woman saying "misogyny is at the heart of this" make you so very angry?

Hi All, Have not read all the messages in this thread but wanted to let you know that others are talking about this and are just as angry that it doesn't seem to be a top priority with our government and the media. My husband told me about the story first and he looked like he was on the verge of tears. He said that others were talking about it too when he went on a car forum and most were saying the same thing...why is not being mentioned in the news and if it is it certainly isn't getting the attention it needs. People are too afraid of being labeled a racist but seriously what is worse - being a racist or a pedophile? I know which one Id choose. People should not be exempt from the law based on their religious beliefs or the colour of their skin. I'm afraid it will be up to us, the public to make the government and the media listen. We cant just be keyboard warriors, we need to post statements on social media, get our friends to share and sign a petition to push this (I'm sure there's one out there). I know the whole thing with Russia is important but so are the children of this country and the women and men who have suffered at the hands of monsters.

They get away with it because if anyone speaks out they are scared of being labelled a racist, that’s the public, police, social s.

I know some women who work as teachers/ teaching assistants in secondary schools in a certain part of West Yorkshire.
They are subjected daily to awful verbal sexist abuse form boys aged 11 upwards.
Nothing is done for fear of being branded racist.
The next generation of boys are learning from fathers.
Nothing will change.