Is there a thread about the poisoning of Skripal? [title edited by MNHQ]

[OhYouBadBadKitten]

I've not seen a thread about it at all, but surely there must be?

I should imagine any official Russian request would be thoroughly ignored for fear they try to finish the job!

Eh? I'm sure that Boris knows perfectly well the sacrifices made by the Soviet Union during WW2. He is no fool, although he seems to enjoy acting like one and bringing his office (and his country) into disrepute.

It was a deliberate wind-up and probably well-deserved. Just not terribly diplomatic, which is what his job really requires. Just the same, good to see more solidarity in the response to the Russians than when the French sank the Rainbow Warrior, causing death in the process.

Exactly Toad. It’s not so much what he said as the fact he said it given his job role. Be nice if we didn’t hand them these opportunities to pretend to be offended on a plate.

Fortunately it’s Boris so it’ll all be forgotten by next week. The buffoon act allows him to get away with these things even if it’s not quite the image we’d want to portray on the world stage.

I was looking at the Boris comments in a different way.

Because he has thrown the moral questions of how states should behave right into the heart of the governmental/diplomatic community. If it gets allies (particularly NATO allies) thinking about basic questions about right and wrong, at a time when the response is important, is that such a bad thing? And if it doesn't produce much effect, well than it'l, be just forgotten as yet another bit of his hyperbole.

Updated advice for anyone who was in Salisbury and wearing dry clean only clothes. www.gov.uk/government/news/public-health-england-statement-regarding-events-in-salisbury
It says anyone in either venue between 13:30 GMT on Sunday 4 March and closure on Monday should arrange to have their clothes collected by the council and they will be compensated.

So some unfortunate reaction between PERC and whatever chemical/s were contaminating those venues, I assume.

PERC?

Please would you expand for the not-so scientific, meditrina?

Cat PERC is a chemical known as perchloroethylene or tetrachloroethylene. It's the solvent used by about 85% of U.S. dry cleaners, but is also used as a metal degreaser and in the production of many other chemicals

Thank you, pestilentialboundary.

Could even be a new nerve agent, certainly would get it airborne.

It’s a Chemical used in dry cleaning I think.

Sorry!

Yes, I meant the most widely use dry cleaning chemical.

(I thought the name was more widely known after seeing it referenced on US sitcom. Though it was by Amy Farah Fowler in The Big Bang Theory)

Don't worry - I guessed it probably was a dry cleaning chemical but it's always good to get the sciency-y folk to expand a bit (it's so interesting when you do).

Do you fancy speculating what might have happened in the dry-cleaning process? (I'm blatantly trying to cajole you into doing a bit of: "... and now, here's the science bit ....")

I think it would involve the hospitalisation of a few dry cleaners Cat.

This makes sober reading www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/22/andrei-zheleznyakov-soviet-scientist-poisoned-novichok
I do hope the policeman is not on this scale.

I read that earlier today and thought much the same, SilverHawk. I, too, hope for better for him.

Yep, read the same thing the other day SilverHawk. Long term prognosis does not look too good. I'm really hoping Salisbury Hospital was working with Porton and an antidote was available. Porton is meant to have samples of stuff like this, it is their job to come up with antidotes.

silver I read that article and this quote from that Soviet scientist
And a sense of fear: like something was about to happen really struck me.Because Nick Bailey was reported as being v anxious in hospital .

The police officer poisoned after coming to the aid of a Russian ex-spy targeted with a nerve agent is “very anxious” as he recovers in hospital, his Chief Constable said.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sergei-skripal-latest-updates-nick-bailey-wiltshire-police-officer-detective-sergeant-a8246806.html

I wonder if the sense of fear and anxiety are two different things though. The scientist would be terrified as he knew what had poisoned him.
The policeman would be fearful and anxious because he doesn't know.
There is also the possibility that the poison itself produces a very fearful, psycotrophic effect. (which makes it even more brutal and cruel)

Spot on SilverHawk

Incidentally, People having heart attacks are often very fearful and anxious. It’s a symptom on its own and part of the diagnosis. You don’t forget that fearful anxiety once you have seen it, it helped me recognise what might be happening with a 32 year old patient.

I am beginning to think that there must be some secure intelligence that definitely points at the Russians, largely because the EU and France are taking such firm action. ( it’s a bugger when you trust other governments more than your own)
However. I still think the authorities don’t really know how this nerve agent was administered and exactly what the consequences of the contamination of Salisbury might be long term.
I think that poor policeman has life changing injuries. The Skripals will probably not recover. Damaged nerves can repair but it takes months and the older you are the more consequential an insult to the nervous system.
I’m also concerned about long term consequences to people exposed to low levels of this.

There is also the possibility that the poison itself produces a very fearful, psycotrophic effect.

that's what I was thinking silver.The Chief Constable also made some remarlk along the lines of " not the Nick I know " .

nursy - how interesting about heart attacks producing those feelings .Tho not the adjective the sufferer would use ,I'm sure .

nursy1 Your observation is very perceptive and helps build the picture of the 'scene'.

Food for thought...www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psychotronicweapons10.htm

and www.globalresearch.ca/psychotronic-and-electromagnetic-weapons-remote-control-of-the-human-nervous-system/5319111
It may be worth reading the second article first.
These weapons were mentioned in todays Times. The interview was with Boris Volodarsky. (Pay wall)
I'm not suggesting that these were used in Salisbury but it would expailn why people in hazmat suits were standing next to unprotected people. It was turning quite theatrical in some areas.

Please can somebody clarify.
Was the policeman first on the scene or was he affected because he went to the house.
My heart goes out to him and his loved ones. The worry for them all.