Is there a thread about the poisoning of Skripal? [title edited by MNHQ]

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I've not seen a thread about it at all, but surely there must be?

Tow truck being removed. All quite normal www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/16067474.live-russian-former-spy-fights-for-life-after-he-was-deliberately-poisoned-with-nerve-agent-in-attempted-murder-in-salisbury/?ref=mr&lp=7

Sorry to do several posts, (instead of one painfully long one), but I keep thinking of things to add!

It's all very well to say if you were in the area and feel 'unwell' get checked out, but people don't know what symptoms to look for, how severe (or, more probably, not) the symptoms might be, and let's face it, most people aren't going to rock up to their GP feeling vaguely under the weather saying they're worried about being poisoned by a nerve agent.

It's all very well to say if you were in the area and feel 'unwell' get checked out, but people don't know what symptoms to look for, how severe (or, more probably, not) the symptoms might be, and let's face it, most people aren't going to rock up to their GP feeling vaguely under the weather saying they're worried about being poisoned by a nerve agent.

This was indeed one of my post it notes

I said to DH at the start, when they said 'go get checked out if you feel unwell' - with what? What symptoms?

We were in Sainsbury's car park at the exact same time. Luckily way too tight broke to pay for parking, so DH stayed in the car. But I'd be pretty worried if we had touched the ticket station bit.

But those that did, did it spread to trolleys/baskets/pin machines?

The basic question is, how can something so deadly, result in 3 people critically ill in hospital, uniforms and a table so contaminated they were burned, ambulances and cars towed away and decontaminated by people in Hazmat suits - but the general passing around and contamination by people living in Salisbury isn't an issue?

Confused.

I'm asking whether you are suggesting that Putin is attempting to interfere in the Russian election.

Why would Putin need to interfere with the elections he is certain to win? And would he employ May&Boris to accuse him of poisoning people?

The basic question is, how can something so deadly, result in 3 people critically ill in hospital, uniforms and a table so contaminated they were burned, ambulances and cars towed away and decontaminated by people in Hazmat suits - but the general passing around and contamination by people living in Salisbury isn't an issue?

^^ Precisely this. there's no logic to it. Anodyne reassurances don't really wash. A bit like nerve agents.

I've also been wondering whether any consideration has been given to the possibility that they could have visited one of the shops or petrol stations along Wilton Road when the car was out on Sunday morning about 9.15, as reported on the BBC news website, presumably returning to the house from the cemetery. I'm assuming that forecourt CCTV and internal shop CCTV footage at the Co-op, for example, will have been examined. It's not that I think the authorities don't know what they're doing (!), but I do wonder if local knowledge will have been compromised somewhat by having to draft in investigators from elsewhere.

Why would Putin need to interfere with the elections he is certain to win?
Why to ensure that he wins.

Putin just tootles along remaining the most popular leader since Stalin. Like seriously? He annexes Crimea and there is a minor kerfuffle on Sky News. He launches nerve agents on English soil. We all shift slightly in our seats. But he says none of it happened. And like eejits we just watch lol. As they say, it is easier to make someone believe a big lie than a small one. Putin is one massive lie. Very believable.

I think our government doesn't want to 'unnerve' us either so what is released to media may not be what is going on. I'd like to think they're not thick enough.

When Corbyn suggested that the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons should be called in to test the samples, he was slated across the media and in Parliament/Gov for daring to question Mays assertions, now Boris announces that the samples will indeed be tested by the OPCW

No, he was slated for something completely different - ie that responsibility lay with those who had made cuts to the British diplomatic service.

The OPCW was informed from the outset, and invited in early (no later than 12th to 13th - accounts vary)

The snag with public health advice must be that no-one knew what they were dealing with until several hours had passed, and that it was a novel CW agent must have taken even longer to ascertain with a reasonable degree of confidence. The characteristics of the CW agent (stability, persistence, required toxic dose) would not be known and would have to be assess. It's a mammoth task,and yes I guess there could be lessons to be learned.

I've just seen on the news that the suitcase theory is now considered less likely and the focus is back in the car. So how did the policeman receive a toxic dose? Was he at the car?

I'm thinking this must be known by now . I would have thought some detail could be released to reassure you people .

(Oh ,silly me ,people already reassured and no need .)

DSBailey's wife's car carted off though .

DS Bailey's wife's car carted off though .

Yes, there was this report in The Telegraph on 15th:

Police erected a wide cordon around DS Bailey’s street, in the village of Alderholt, 20 minutes drive from Salisbury on Thursday

An Army crane was driven into position mid-morning in apparent preparation for loading DS Bailey's car, which may have also been driven by his wife Sarah, 37, onto a low-loader.

Neighbours said two cars were taken from the family’s driveway, one belonging to DS Bailey and the other to his wife. They said they were "wrapped" and removed by officers in hazmat suits. The family were not believed to be staying at the property on Thursday, but had been at the address in the days after the attack.

Residents were being allowed to and from their homes, but only accompanied by a police officer.

There were questions as to why it had taken more than a week since the attack for DS Bailey's car to be removed.

A neighbour said: “We woke and saw lots of Army and police all over the place. It’s a bit disturbing. Why is there so much concern about his house when it all happened in Salisbury? There’s a lot that we don’t know and it’s worrying.”

Indeed.

Altho press photos of army personnel working at the scene show zero ( apart from gloves ) protective clothing .
So there must be certainty that substance no longer active .

that would result in large numbers of people besieging their GPs and A&E, asking to be tested for possible nerve agent poisoning

To be honest isn’t it the Govs( via public health) job to provide extra Drs/ nurses to facilitate testing if needed ?

Which scene?

There are so many of them. And I've seen pix where people in full hazmat suits are next to people with none at all. OK they might be about to move somewhere more hazardous. But it did look as if one side of a bit of tape = fine and other side = not fine. So I was wondering if it was less to do with stability/persistence and more to do with whether they think it is particulate in the air, or if you need to touch something.

sorry -I meant photos of the removal of DS Nick Bailey's wife's car .
here www.thesun.co.uk/news/5818209/police-nerve-agent-attack-dorset-town-alderholt-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poisoning-latest/

Why to ensure that he wins.

Ridiculous! Another example of the overestimation of the worldview on merry England!

Thanks for the link!

If you scroll through all the pix, there are some personnel in cover up suits and gas masks. Not the full bright yellow version seen in some places, but definitely BCW protection for at least some on the scene.

So presumably not airborne - or everyine near something being moved would be in a gas mask, as the very act of moving stuff around works stir up particles in the air.

A Russian journalist, in Russia, was interviewed on BBC news last night saying that fervour mounts and support for Putin grows whenever Russia is deemed to be ‘under attack ‘ from the West and that the current situation would certainly have boosted his vote.

It also said that they were looking into the agent having been delivered through the car’s ventilation system.

agent having been delivered through the car’s ventilation system

But how then would the policeman have come into contact with it at the house?
Also, I think I’m right in saying that inhalation gives the dose really quickly? Yet this couple were out and about for several hours before being affected.
It seems to me the authorities have no idea how they were poisoned which is worrying.

What was the theory about the suitcase.
I agree with a pp, we aren't being told every thing, understandably

I think the agent being on their hands is most likely. Possibly via car doors. If they ate pizza with their hands, then that would account for them being taken ill simultaneously after leaving Zizzis.

And probably not the first time the P.D. scientists have been put under pressure to support state propaganda:

"UK Scientists Refused Government Pressure To Say Nerve Agent Was Made By Russia"

www.informationclearinghouse.info/49003.htm

there was a Russian man on TV this morning (sorry cant link as cant remember time/prog etc, but think it was GMB) who said that Russia dont even believe the Skripals are in hospital because Russian embassy staff have not been allowed to visit them...! well durr, I wonder why that might be?

That reminds me; we haven't had any images of the victims lying in hospital as we did with Litvinenko.