"No-one could say they were innocent. Those slags dancing around"

[Caligula]

This sent a chill through me. The level of hatred for women in some of the men we live among, is so worrying and is not seen as a particular issue. This was what one of those men jailed today said about blowing up the Ministry of Sound. The idea of young women dancing around, enjoying thenselves, was such anathema to him, that he honestly thought if he blew them up, that would be recieved more positively in the general population as these particular victims wouldn't be "innocent".

WTF is going on in these men's minds and why isn't this mysogyny being taken as seriously as racism?

cos thsey is liek jordan they are all slag and up fro it
se the jordan thread

why ?

I don't give a tinkers cuss if a woman strips bloody starkers in the middle of the street and flashes her fango to the crowds.

That emphatically does not give someone the right to murder her!

this is hatred of women, pure and simple. And if any woman dares to express herself in a way they find distatesful she is a whore and thus deserving of death.

Not while I've got breath in my body.

you obviously don't mean it's Jordan's fault eh Porcs? I'm really hoping not.

Agree with edam. and re 'frivolous cases' clause. That is both hilarious and depressing at the same time.

don't really see the difference between hatred of women and sexism lulumama.

well, i suppose that sexism to me implies a man who views woman as 'pretty little things who don;t need to worry their heads about important things'. , whereas true hatred sees women as an enemy to be downtrodden,kept indoors, kept uneducated, hidden away, without a voice and without rights

maybe they are the same, but there are degrees of it , like anything else

the sad thing is that Ministry of Sound is just full of students and teenagers having a dance to some good music. Essentially. It really puts the cultural differences and the problems it can cause into a stark reality. though i'm hoping it is not a large group of people that feel the way those individuals did. But i'm not really that confident.

I think that a tread of each runs rthrough the other. It is hard to hate people that you consider to be true equals.

Racisim works the same way, see them as 'other' or 'lesser' and it is easier to justiufy the hatered

thread of each!

thanks MB, you have said what i was trying and failing to articulate !

surely a man who thinks 'women are pretty little things who don't need to worry their little heads' are like people who might think black people are ok as long as they are kept in their place? both pretty hateful imo.

maybe so ruty

just don;t believe that all men who think of a woman in that way think she deserves to die

Fanatics and extremists, and whatever reason they gave for wanting to slaughter people in any of the locations they discussed, it is chilling.
This is particulary chilling because it does resonate with the culture of blame-the-woman more 'reasonable' people subscribe to , in court and in the press.

I remember the attitude during the Yorkshire Ripper hunt. It was 'only' prostitutes he was killing

Quite MB. They only started to panic when he murdered a "decent" married woman.

And things haven't really changed that much - when all those women who happened to be prostitutes at the time of their deaths were murdered in Ipswich, they were constantly described as "prostitutes" as if that were the defining thing about them. Not daughters, mothers, friends, women, but prostitutes.

These kind of attitudes are about the politics of hate, women just being one of the targets. Racism, sexism, any kind of ism comes from people who feel angry at the world in general.

Made me shudder. I've spent hundreds of nights at the MOS. My DP was the resident DJ there, years ago but even so.
I don't go there anymore but .... made me feel sick.
It was the 'slag' line that really played on my mind and stuck with me.

what is terrifying is the dehumanisation by these terrorists - easier to kill a "slag" than think of them as women (ie like their wives, sisters, mothers etc)

there was a prog about Afghanistan and the men interviewed even the ones like doctors and proffessors said if they saw a woman not in hijab then they saw her as a sex objectto be groped or worse. It is shocking the general disregard women are held in by all men whether it is magazines MTV the media or in everyday life
It is making me feel like a feminist whereas previously I have always been for equality

By slags they mean lovely girls out enjoying music, possibly celebrating a friends 21st birthday. Mothers out letting their hair down enjoying a night off being a mum and having some fun.

A few years ago it would have meant me, and my friends enjoying our lives and havig fun, like we're supposed to.

There was someone on the radio yesterday who said that when she is in Afghanistan, she wears a burkha because it is so frightening not to. If you treat women like meat every time you see their faces, it gives them a jolly good incentive not to show their faces.

Yes, I think the woman on the radio was Afghan.

Western women have a lot more leeway. Did anyone read Bookseller of Kabul?

my cousin is dancer at ministry of sound and other places,id not heard about this