What do people think is most likely to happen with the irish/UK Border Part 2.

[cathyclown]

OK I took it upon myself in my arrogance. Nah, just enjoyed all the views whether we agreed or not, it has been very interesting.

So carry on folks. Link below to the original thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/a3096781-What-do-people-think-is-most-likely-to-happen-with-the-Irish-UK-border?msgid=73760649#73760649

I agree with you Mary about Gerry Adams, Sinn Fein have come on a lot and won more seats in the last general election but I do think that Gerry Adams and his past is stopping people from voting for them. However now that he has come out and said he will be stepping down and that Mary lou Mac Donald is to take charge then that will a game changer. Sinn Fein will be a serious contender and I can't imagine the DUP having to deal with them if they ever get real power in government in Ireland

Sorry, I mentioned he was ill; I think it was obvious at the time that he was very ill, but it was a bit odd that it didn't seem to be mentioned, just that he was resigning because Foster wouldn't, iyswim. I sort of felt it was timed (and the announcement made) in such a way as to put maximum pressure on her, and cause as much strife as possible.

He could have "resigned due to ill-health" and they could have all got together and tried to set up the assembly again as soon as possible, but none of them seem to want to.

I think all of them are so busy scoring points off each other they seem to be just letting the important things slip by. They would rather "win" against each other than win, as a country, together.

About May and the sea border - she might have considered it. Obviously she wouldn't have called it a sea border, she would have muttered about special consideration for NI, about the benefits to them of having their cake (trade with the UK) and eating it (trade with the EU) and it might have worked.

Maryz If NI had a free trade deal with the EU, what would stop you buying goods duty free and selling them into the rest of the UK, thus avoiding UK customs duties? Or the same thing in reverse? I can imagine the ferries doing great business with day trippers stocking up with duty frees like they do now Dover-Calais.
And GB farmers complaining that their produce is taxed in the EU but NI farmers aren't.
Not trying to be awkward here, just can't see past the potential problems.

I agree there would be horrendous problems, there would have to be a way of certifying that goods were from NI, not imported from the EU/rest of the UK etc etc.

I don't think it's a runner - but I've not seen any other suggestion yet.

Because an Irish land border would see all those problems, but multiplied a hundred fold. And civil unrest on top. It's unthinkable.

Channel 4 News had a panel discussion on Thursday in which about eight - mostly Irish - commentators and political/business experts debated options for the border, several were understandably frustrated with the UK government. At the end, the presenter asked each one if they thought a deal would be sorted for the border before next week so that talks could progress and - if memory serves - five said yes and the others said they weren't sure. None of them said that they thought it was definitely not going to happen (which surprised me).

Was listening to R4 any answers today.

I know the presenter is just facilitating, but even she was sighing I think.

A lot of callers said Ireland should just rejoin the UK and it will all be solved,

OR,

NI should just join ROI in a United Ireland and it will all be solved.

What would your reaction to that be now.

Wouldn't it be easier for the UK to rejoin Europe than for Ireland to rejoin the UK or NI to join up with Ireland (not that we could afford them).

Of course the people interviewed never think of that. Twats.

Did any of them suggest a deal though, lala? I keep seeing people say "I'm sure it will be sorted" but (apart from the EU offering special status for NI) I haven't seen a single, factual, solution offered by anyone.

I can't listed to Any Answers any more, it's just mindless Kipper ranting.

I'd say there will be a lot of late nights over this weekend on all sides.

I hold my hands up and say that the duopoly of Varadker and Coveney, not to mention their backup Civil Servants much as we malign them, are doing a great job here.

Who'd a thunk that a minnow country like ROI would lay it out and put it up there.

There is still no solution though!

But I am hopeful. the consequences of no deal, hard border, awakening the dissos on any side, etc. is unconscionable. Let us hope that all sides realise this.

It is so not worth it.

Is someone out there suggesting that Ireland rejoins the UK as a solution to this shitshow?

Because that really is the dumbest thing I've heard in my life.

History will judge Teresa May for this. Brexit was not her fuck up, but her deal with the DUP is completely hers.

Laurie,

This is the reality from anything I have been listening to from UK.

That is their solution to all this.

Think about it. No EU, no borders no worries. Typical post colonial arrogant angst.

I'm hoping history judges David Cameron even more harshly. We should be far more angry at his careless, irresponsible actions that got us into this mess.

And Boris and Govey, for treating this like a game. Arseholes.

Not absolving May for a second though.

cathy the mind boggles.

I have no words for this degree of arrogance and obtuseness.

It's breathtaking.

I have heard a LOT of people suggesting that it's not really a problem, sure shouldn't Ireland just leave too/rejoin the UK, sure we aren't managing on our own anyway, and historically it makes sense for us all to be one country.

I was wandering around a few UK chat rooms recently within my face like this

It's just weird. It would be like hearing someone say that Portugal should "rejoin" Spain, or Austria should "rejoin" Germany, but it's appalling how many seem to think it's a reasonable suggestion.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-juncker/may-to-meet-eus-juncker-barnier-december-4-eu-confirms-idUSKBN1DN1DM

I think this meeting will decide UK position and the way forward.

But it will only work if Junker has lots of Chablis, Cotes de Rhone or whatever.

Wink.

I don't think there is enough wine in the EU to make that meeting flow smoothly

I was being lighthearted there Maryz. You too aswell probably...

Junker is well known for his love of the demon drink. So let's wait and see what happens on Monday.

It is a niche issue for the UK, but it should not be, at all. Should it?

Too many peripheral issues may result.

Still no solution to the border issue issue yet though!

whosafraid.

Never heard that one about MC, tell me more!

Bearstrikesback
I am terrified that we will see an NI like Bosnia before it's over
Me too, and I also agree that there would be attacks in Dublin and the rest of the island.

Maryz - yy to troops on the ground again too. I can see the Irish Army mobilised for policing in the border counties because of the Loyalist threat.

The net result would be economic disruption, increased expenditure on security, and an erosion of individual freedom (curfews imposed, right to travel without ID, etc) and even civil liberties (rights of individuals upon arrest, length of time to elapse before charges brought, types of court, etc). And of course many deaths and serious injuries.

God many of you sound so depressing and reactive.

Why not let us see what transpires over the next few days and weeks before ramping up a return to terrorism.. Sounds a bit OTT to me anyway.

There is a show in the Irish channel Rte called reeling in the years, it 30 minutes long and each episode shows the news and events of a certain year starting from the 60's to 2000's. It's actually a brilliant show and it's only when you sit and watch it that remember how bad and intense things were.

Maybe because we lived it, and remember how easily it spirals? It’s hard not to feel that it’s coming again, having seen it flare up over much, much less in the past.