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footballers giving up pay for nurses!

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saralou100 · 19/04/2007 09:45

started by west ham skipper, nigel reo-coker, premiership players have been asked to give up 1days pay in an appeal, mayday for nurses...

out of 556 premiership players, just 71 have signed up to this!

an average premiership wage is £12,300 per week... with some of the top clubs players earning up to £100,000 per week.

of the 4 top clubs (chelsea, liverpool, arsenal and man utd) only 4 players have signed up. chelsea and liverpool have no takers!

readigs entire squad have signed up.

their arrogance is something to be ahamed of!

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zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 11:17

well there is no way that my sil has shit hot maths science or pharmacology. As I say struggle with arithmetic would be kind, but eventually she got a high enough mark.

Anoah · 19/04/2007 11:22

Is she actually a nurse?

zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 11:23

yes she is paid to go to uni

ssd · 19/04/2007 11:28

why doesn't someone decide to give a day's pay to child minders!

I get paid £3 per hour

sorry I agree nurses should be paid a whole lot more

BUT SO SHOULD A LOT OF US!!!

southeastastra · 19/04/2007 11:29

agree ssd! that's terrible

zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 11:31

but most childminders care for more than one child...like everything else the economics of it improves with higher numbers, more investment and more skills..

Anoah · 19/04/2007 11:31

You can't function as an RN in a hospital setting if you can't understand maths. Sorry.

There are very few jobs in the Uk for nurses. None of our newly qualified grads can find one.

This is some of the easier maths. Looks easy enough but it's hard to do when you have 20 patients, the phone ringing off the hook and relatives up your arse and you are rushed and know that you can't make a mistake.

classes.kumc.edu/son/nurs420/clinical/basic_review.htm#Intravenous%20calculations

I know the sites I am posting are American but nurses in the UK need to have the same knowledge and skills for the most part.

ssd · 19/04/2007 11:32

thank you

TBH I was pissed off when I read about this hardship fund for nurses, I earn £3 an hour and dh works with special needs kids and adults and earns £6.50 an hour

what about the cleaners/janitors/carers/shop staff etc etc

who cares about them?

FlossALump · 19/04/2007 11:32

NP - going to have to disagree with you! The giving to the nurses of choccies etc is one of the things that helps to keep up morale! yesterday, working 12.5 hrs with one 10 minute break and being 19 wks pregnant, the tin of roses we had (normally yuck but yesterday thank god!) was literally all that kept me going! And I got off late too. We are lucky we usually have some kind of substanance 'out the back' to keep us going. On our ward, without it I don't think we would survive, and I'm not trying to be dramatic.

I do feel the footballers shouldn't have to give up their wages though - why should they more or less than anyone else earning a shed load of money? And why just us?

zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 11:36

we helped her with coaching to get her nurses maths test to be allowed to get the uni place and it was very easy, but she found it hard as i say she tried to get the gcse first several times but then changed to the nurses maths test when she couldn't get the former. She got the maths test eventually after a few goes..her initial marks were in single figure percentages.

she loves nursing but I wouldn't like her to be using too much maths on me

how she will manage with the degree work I don't know..she has been at uni since jan.

Anoah · 19/04/2007 11:36

"what about the cleaners/janitors/carers/shop staff etc etc

who cares about them?"

I care deeply about them because society couldn't function without them. I also think they are paid poorly and deserve better. But it offends me that you lump them into the same category as nurses. There is no comparison.

nailpolish · 19/04/2007 11:38

but ssd you can have 3 kids at once - thats £9 per hr

Anoah · 19/04/2007 11:45

I agree with Nailpolish.

I work on an acute medical ward. Yesterday I worked a 15 hour shift and I had 18 patients. 6 or 7 of them were acute enough that I didn't think they would survive the shift. They needed constant assesments, had loads of drips etc etc.

My other 12 or so patients were more stable but could do nothing for themselves and I had their relatives following me around asking for this or that and being really abusive. Sorry folks but the dying people get priority over your mum getting taken to the toilet because I don't wanna get sued and have my pin number taken. No sorry, the GI bleed guy down the hall doesn't stop bleeding to death because you want me to get your mum a pillow right now.

I wish I was getting £3 and hour for each patient but I only make around £10 an hour. How much is that per patient SSD, if I had 18 of them?

I may have worked 15 hours but only got paid for 12.5 since they dock for lunch breaks that you are unable to take. The managers refused to send me another registered nurse to help out because they didn't want to pay for it.

baffledbybaby · 19/04/2007 11:57

I had worded a longer post but it got lost. The gist of it was that at least you have gaurenteed pensions at 60. (maybe 65 for new nurses?).Yes i know you do contribute to your pensions but not as much as would have to be contributed to a private pension for the same return.

FlossALump · 19/04/2007 12:03

65 for most nurses actually I believe. me included. I started training for my career when I was 18 - so 47 years of service. My DP is a PC - who gets better wages plus only required to work for 30 yrs. He'll get several thousand one of payment plus half wages for live and will be retired at 53, 12 yrs earlier than me despite starting his training 4 years later than me. New PC's don't get such a great package, but still better than nurses. When my mum, who has worked in nusring for over 40 years, with about 6 yrs break, looked at her pension a few years ago she found it equated to 2k a year. She has had to increas her hours to try and get a better retirement package. In nursing you are on your feet all day, doing lots of manual handling. It isn't a job for a 65 yr old. I also nurses who are forced to work bank into their 70's to afford to live. If our pension is that great then why would this happen????

Katy44 · 19/04/2007 12:08

Anoah - that's terrible. Is that not what the health care assistants are meant to do (toilets, pillows etc)? How many work on each shift?
Pensions - yes nurses get a pension, but so do all public sector workers (me included) who in general get paid more and have better working conditions. Still get paid less than the equivalent jobs in the private sector, and I always thought that was why.

LucyJones · 19/04/2007 12:13

teachers get a raw deal? My teaching friends are much better paid than loads of my friends

mosschops30 · 19/04/2007 12:14

what is a junior nurse???

as a student you get about £6k if your lucky and qualify for a bursary

as a newly qualified you can hope for about £19k

katy - be prepared for stoning from HCA's, I hate qualified nurses who dont think its their job to do menial tasks, patient care is everyones responsibility

They have been promoting this on Soccer am every week, Tim Lovejoy announcing 'come on boys we all like to get behind nurses' apparently the entire Fulham team have given up their pay. Not so shocking to see the Premier teams are too tight to give up a days pay, it would pay for their wifes nails fgs

Katy44 · 19/04/2007 12:16

Fair enough - I genuinely don't know who's job it is to do what, and I think as someone else pointed out further down the thread, that's prob part of the problem.
What exactly does a nurse do? What exactly does a HCA do? Where do the two overlap?

nailpolish · 19/04/2007 12:16

the nhs pension scheme is one of the best in the country

zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 12:26

is pay in sponsorship by the health authority different from a bursary?

nailpolish · 19/04/2007 12:30

ive never heard of that zippi

FlossALump · 19/04/2007 12:37

You find it varies hugely from workplace to workplace Katy. When I worked in ITU the HCA's were only used to stock shelves and help turn patients. Where I work now, HCA's do most patient care, simple dressings, blood pressures, making beds, some paperwork.

As a nurse, I do drug rounds for usually around 12/13 patients 2-3 times daily. Any other medications patients require (anti sickness and pain relief mainly) I am responsible for getting checking with another trained member, and giving. We usually have patients on infusions which require hourly checking. Many patients also need their urine outputs and observations checking hourly. Out of my 12/13 patients, there are usually at least 3 which require all care, turning, washing toileting. There will be others who require commodes. Then there will be patients who go off the ward for proceedures, may require an escort. yesterday i was unable to go - or else there would be one staff nurse alone on the ward to care for 25 patients.

On my ward a lot of patients aren't able to eat, they are fed through a tube in their stomach. These require regular flushing and putting up/taking down of feeds. Medications also need to be dissolved and placed down these tubes. Then there are also patients who require help to eat normally.

Every day the doctors do a ward round, following this all that has been said needs to be documented and any changes (removal of drains, tubes, lines mainly, or referral to other professionals) actioned.

paperwork is time consuming, at least three pages of forms need to be completed a day for all patients. If there has been anything untoward, the amount of writing required can easily amount to 3 sides of A4.

I may also be required to take heart readings, take bloods, insert venflons and check blood/infective results.

handovers need to be given to physio's daily for their input. Social workers and OT's need to be contacted and we have meetings on the ward where all patients are discussed and their needs assessed. The dietician comes to the ward most days and will often need our input to aid her decisions over patients nutritional input.

On the computer daily we have to record every patients dependancy, also work out their estimated discharge.

When patients are discharged we have to liase with the community nurses to aid the patients with dressing changes etc. We also have to arrange their tablets to take away, how they are going to get home, as well as all the checks that take place to ensure the patient is suitable to go home. If the patient is palliatve then discharge becomes very complicated, with 3 or 4 lengthy forms needing to be completed and lots of health professionals to liase with.

The nurse in charge also has to keep the bed manager updated with any discharges and then accept new admissions, which likewise require huge amounts of paperwork. Bedspaces need to be cleaned, observations taken, weights, legs measured... you get the gist!

The nurse in charge is also responsible for ensuring there is sufficient staff for subsequent shifts, liasing with bank staff, trying to fill shifts and then frantic calls to colleagues to see if 'they fancy working?!'

Then there is the time taken talking to patients, advising, listening and trying to reassure when possible. Likewise for relatives. Acting as their advocate and trying at all times to act in their interest.

There is loads I am sure I have missed but you did ask and I do love talking about my job!

FlossALump · 19/04/2007 12:38

yes zippi - it is. It is when you have been working for the trust in one role, HCA staff nurse, and train to do nursing, health visiting or midwifery. it is becoming rarer though.

zippitippitoes · 19/04/2007 12:39

she calls it being sponsored....I shall ask her if I see her! I was quite surprised at the arrangement and thought it sounded "a good thing"