What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

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What is the most likely solution?

And no, since I don't even know what obtuse means, I don't think I'm being deliberately anything. More playing devil's advocate.

Playing the fool more like

Martina have you ever been to NI? Are you at all familiar with staunch unionist views of any attempt at distancing NI from GB?
other than when human rights are involved

Whoyagonna, both I imagine. It's hard to run efficiently when one of your borders is a war zone.

I wonder if what I'm feeling now is what Michel Barnier feels like when heading off to work for another day? Trapped on an Escher staircase of people saying 'it's so easy! It's so easy! It's so easy!' like something out of The Prisoner.

Ok, this is what I think.
As much as I know about Luxembourg, is as much as the EU knows about Ireland. In particular, the Irish/UK question.
The EU has been told that they need to sort the Irish border in a 'special' way, as not only is it the only land border, but it is the border from hell.
They are taking this on board as seriously as they are considering cranberry sauce vs gravy.
I have worked in a position within the past 5 years where I received a phone-call from a paramilitary group (I had no idea who they were until my boss told me), so yes, I do think that the possibility of violence re-emerging is very much there.

The EU has been told that they need to sort the Irish border in a 'special' way

No. The EU has told the UK they need to sort the border. The UK is ignoring the issue.

And I can pretty much guarantee that the EU knows way more about the island of Ireland than you know about Luxembourg...

You can enter Ireland from Britain without a passport (presumably once you're Irish only).

But how do you prove you're Irish without showing a passport? Do you want to write into law "Sure just judge on accent and appearance, that'll do"? What about my colleague who is black with a foreign sounding name, but a thick Dublin accent? How is an immigration official to decide whether or not he's Irish without viewing his passport? You can't write rules for an international border stating everyone has to show passports except nationality X, it doesn't work like that!

As much as I know about Luxembourg, is as much as the EU knows about Ireland. In particular, the Irish/UK question.

Ireland is IN the EU. The rest of the countries are, funnily enough, taking their advice on Ireland FROM Ireland.

Interesting letter from Guy Verhofstadt to Barnier here:

twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/935891729802199040

More playing devil's advocate.

Playing devil's advocate doesn't mean just saying any old contrary shite. Popular misconception.

As much as I know about Luxembourg, is as much as the EU knows about Ireland. In particular, the Irish/UK question

You know that Michel Barnier was on the EU negotiating team in the GFA talks? This has been repeatedly mentioned. It means that he probably does know stuff.

The wisest course of action for the brexiters is to say nothing because they really are the thickest, worst informed, most obtuse people alive. It'd be funny if it wasn't so bewildering. How can so many be so proud of it? They just can't understand the issues or leave them. This is like a Dunning Kruger case study.

You can enter Ireland or UK without a passport if you are Irish or British.

Common Travel Area.

Spot checks happen and ID is required if challenged but it doesn't have to be a passport. The rule on passports is airline driven only.

I am presuming there is a bit of profiling going on and intelligence too. I hope that is not lost as a result of Brexit. The two countries work well together on that front.

tiny@

My proposal is very sensible - what are your objections?

Ok, so we've now established that they realise the situation. Where do we go from here? What do Irish people want. What does the UK want in terms of the border. Varadkar, as far as my reading goes, hasn't stated exactly what he wants.

HolySmoly@

ID check in the Irish sea is not a border

Yes, I did visit Belfast once

LivEmler:
Passport or equivalent will be need to be shown as an ID check when boarding flights or boats - but this will not be a full border, that will only apply to non-Irish, non-British passport holders

Martina, up until now you can cross the Irish sea happily. No matter who you are really. Well if you're Irish you can.

MrsDusty@

amusing to note the utter disdain you have for over half the British electorate - and you wonder why people like yourself are dubbed 'Remoaners' ...sigh

But post Brexit, us Irish will be the dreaded EU. So, I dunno how it's going to work.

the dreaded EU s more the axis of Merkel-Barnier-Brussels-Macron-Junker etc.

What do Irish people want

www.politico.eu/article/dublins-5-brexit-demands-show-path-to-sufficient-progress/amp/

What does the UK want in terms of the border.

They haven't thought that far

What are the Brexiter forums saying, actually, about Irish situation? Does anyone know a good forum to lurk on full of rabid Unicorn worshipping Brexiters?