What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

[coffeclub]

What is the most likely solution?

Again the name of it escapes me!

Whoyagonna it isn't a sign of equality. Look how many male leaders have managed to get there and have a family. Then look at your list of female leaders. Arlene Foster is the only one who has had children.

tinysparkly:

you just show ID , need not be a passport - I had to do that when
I flew from Bristol to Belfast - no drama, Martina just showed her passport , no big deal

heck, I even had to show my passport at local Barclays bank the other day as an ID check, not a border, again , no drama

stop inventing excuses for trying to Remain in the EU against the democratic will of the people, you should no better than trying to subvert democracy in this way

Ireland and Britain have a strange and particular agreement on the movement of people dating decades back.

Which was superceded by our common membership of the EU. You can't just go back to what was before, it isn't 1973.

Its called the Common Travel Area.

formerbabe:

they would have to show ID when entering Ireland or NI from UK, but it's an ID check, not a border

ID checks are already normal on planes and ferries.

The issue is the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. No way should there be any checks at all. There are none now, nor should there ever be.

Can. Of. Worms. The dissos are probably plotting their millions in profits from smuggling cross border as we speak.

so the only prob is goods between NI and ROI, that's easy to solve, just leave things as they are

whoyagonna.

The Common Travel Area. CTA

Leave things as they are means UK must give special status under EEA rules to NI. Ireland is EU remember that little fact.

I can see Scotland being thrilled by that.

So still no solution!

NI already has special status - so we'll have a UK/Ireland deal separate from EU - if the EU does not accept that then they will be the instigators of a a kind of border in NI - let the onus on fall on them

Scotland have little say in this mattter as they did not have a separate referendum on EU

so the only prob is goods between NI and ROI, that's easy to solve, just leave things as they are

You can't just leave things as they are! They are only as they are because we are both in the EU.
Where have you got the idea that you can leave the EU in order to take control of your borders while refusing to do anything at all about the only border you have with the EU?

if the EU does not accept that then they will be the instigators of a a kind of border in NI - let the onus on fall on them

which bit of "you decided to leave so its up to you to work out the details of what happens to your borders when you do" is that you find so hard?

tiny:

just like the CTA we currently have between UK and ROI - just leave it as it is even though ROI is in EU - just like we have the 'Le Touquet' agreement with France, it can be done bilaterally

tiny:

We left, for sure, and I've given you the details of the workable border system, many times over in fact

The EU will probably agree with this

You haven't given one. You've given the kind of unworkable pie in the sky nonsense that the cabinet has come out with, and the inane "if they don't like our ridiculous non suggestions then the EU can deal with it" argument.

A GB/ Island of Ireland border is not an option.
An Ireland/NI hard border is not an option.
Doing nothing and pretending it is 1973 is not an option.

can you give one sensible option?

I wonder whether it's the fact that Ireland will now be the only land border that is bothering them, or the history of that land border? It would be useful to know which end they're coming from.

No announcements or statements have said anything other than that they will look at the Irish question etc. I'm actually wondering whether the EU indeed has any clue about the history and whether they're more focused on the fact that it's the sole land border.

In 2024, if I'm French, will I need a visa to visit the UK? If I'm Irish in 2024, will I need a visa also? Because that would piss me off.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Barnier said this on 22nd March

"I have been Commissioner in charge of the PEACE programme. I understand the Union's role in strengthening dialogue in Northern Ireland and supporting the Good Friday Agreement, of which the United Kingdom is one of the guarantors.
That is why we will be – and I will be – particularly attentive, in these negotiations, to the consequences of the UK's decision to leave the Customs Union, and to anything that may, in one way or another, weaken dialogue and peace."

europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-17-723_en.htm

So yes, the EU are very aware of the particular issues with the NI/I border

I must have missed that particular press release!

I must have missed that particular press release!

I'm pretty sure the NI border has been mentioned in most if not all of the speeches etc.

If you want to catch up all the press releases, EU negotiating documents etc are here:

ec.europa.eu/commission/brexit-negotiations_en

Unlike our government the EU is being transparent, organised, and competent...

My question is more why it's being mentioned. Is it because it's the only land border or is it because they acknowledge the history.

It's because of the history, of course we'll have to secure our coastline too. I think most of Kent is going to be a lorry park.

What do you mean why is it being mentioned? How could it possibly NOT be mentioned? It is, or should be, the single most pressing issue of Brexit. Wasn't the entire point to take back control of your borders? Well, this is your border!