What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

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What is the most likely solution?

Ever hear of the United Nations? You know there are a few conventions there you have signed up to that you mightn't much like.

As Britain was a founder member, they probably have.

Thanks for the link to the Irish Times article, duckfart.

I've given up on this thread (though I've enjoyed math's posts, as usual). The level of ignorance from the likes of Julie and Martina (weird, by the way, that they both have real names, numbers that are 8s or mostly 8s and both are pretty new to MN with one only posting on this thread ) is astounding.

If they are an example of the types of people who voted for Brexit, I'm not surprised Britain is in the mess it's in. It's very worrying that the British government appear to be as clueless as some of the people.

The article whosafraid linked to is great. I believe the last two paragraphs sum up exactly what the British government is going to do. Nothing. They will do nothing, get no agreement, and blame the EU/Ireland for it all. And the gullible sheep who went along with voting for Brexit with no understanding of how it would work in practice will also go along with blaming everyone else for it. It's genius, really

I'm no hopeful there will be any solution to this.

cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/tables/Location.html

Geographical Location of the death:
Location Count
Belfast East 128
Belfast North 577
Belfast South 213
Belfast West 623
Britain 125
County Antrim 209
County Armagh 477
County Derry 123
County Down 243
County Fermanagh 112
County Tyrone 341
Derry 227
Europe 18
Republic of Ireland 116
TOTAL 3532

above is the list of death from the conflict in Northern Ireland. As one can see, most occurred in NI (although some Englanders don't seem to care as they see it as an "Irish" problem and I guess they will only care once bombing starts in England.)

Am I being really thick to suggest this? But, let's say there's a hard brexit and an end to fom, why can't their be a special concession made which allows fom for UK and Irish citizens between the two countries? Sorry, if that's a really stupid question!

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See earlier post re special Irish lane at the border formerbabe - there would need to be a border apparatus to check who is an Irish citizen at that border and who isn't. Back to the hard border again.

Am I being really thick to suggest this? But, let's say there's a hard brexit and an end to fom, why can't their be a special concession made which allows fom for UK and Irish citizens between the two countries? Sorry, if that's a really stupid question!

Because those citizens would need to prove their nationality with passports. That means immigration and customs posts, i.e. a hard border.

crossed with annandale!

Ok thank you!

Hang on, but the UK is not in Schengen...so surely those entering the UK from ROI need to show passports already?! Or don't they?

Duh, ignore me...just realised Ireland isn't in Schengen either.

Passports are not required in either direction on NI/ROI border.

That, along with the free movement of goods is the issue here. It is seamless at the moment.

So still no solution I see, and here we are, the best brains in the business and every suggestion is unworkable! Wink.

You don't even realise you have crossed the border between Ireland and NI until you see a road sign and realise they are a different colour. And then that the speed limits are in miles per hour which is horribly confusing since most of us have no clue what miles mean. My car only shows my speed in km!

I can't even imagine how an actual border would work.

Under the Common Travel Agreement those entering UK from ROI do not need to show passports. There are spot checks though. The airlines are the ones who insist on a passport.

HOWEVER>>>> those entering ROI from UK on a flight DO need to show passports. But there are no passport controls on ferries to and from UK AFAIK. Each country can apply its own rules in that regard.

Do you mean entering Britain from Ireland? Because there are no checks of any kind for people going from Ireland into Northern Ireland, which is in the UK.

What we need cathy is a man to come and tell us all what to do. I find it interesting actually that a lot of the lead players are female - Arlene Foster, Theresa May, Scottish leader (will come to me the minute I press post) and Angela Merkel. Yet it seems to be the men left to hold talks.

An ID check between NI and GB is the answer here.

Remember, this is not a border, it's an ID check

Can be done when you board a plane or boat to leave from or to NI and UK

Mary:

nice how you refer to 17million people as 'gullible sheep'

LOL

You can enter Ireland from Britain without a passport (presumably once you're Irish only). You just need to show ID. Ryanair insist on a passport however. Aer Lingus don't.

Of course it is not the answer, and that does make it a border.
Do you not realise what a political NO that is?

You can't align NI with Ireland and expect UK citizens to give ID to enter another part of the UK. Never going the happen.

Gladallover@

No, it would be an ID check, not a border!

So let's say a person from a non EU country enters the UK on a visa, they can then enter the ROI with no checks and vice versa?

Ireland and Britain have a strange and particular agreement on the movement of people dating decades back.