What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

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What is the most likely solution?

It has crossed my mind that SF are holding out for a United Ireland as a result of Brexit which is why they're holding fire metaphorically and literally on the whole thing.

Raving Roo -that's a good idea, kind of what I'm saying as well - ie. Irish passport or UK passport allows travel/work etc.

The thing is they are going to have to make an exception for Ireland. 4 terms or not.

** whosafraidofabigduckfart Tue 28-Nov-17 20:24:20
Martina - it’s free trade and people or neither - you can’t pick and choose the ones you want.
That’s why Brexit happened**

for sure, so the ball is in the EU court - if they don't deign to deal then a hard border it may have to be

Martina, the problem with that is that you're still going to have to have border checks to see what passport you have.
Maybe we are overestimating the potential for unholy war to break out again if a border is installed. It's hard to tell. SF are uncharacteristically quiet on this issue.
First time I ever heard of Arlene Foster was after the election. Don't know what they have up their sleeves either.

I thought that listening to the news today.

I felt that Varadkar was relieved there wasn't going to be an election. I felt the FF and SF representatives were REALLY relieved there wasn't going to be an election.

The passport need only be shown when applying for work, bank account etc....or ID card other from of Id - this is done anyway - and if it's not Irish or UK then it's a no - this is no different from how it is, heck, Marina even had to show her passport for her 1 visit to Belfast and she didn't mind

and who said it's in the UK's court? err..like, yes we voted to leave the godforasken EU so if Juncker and his cronies don't want to deal then they will be held responible for creating the hard border that could result

Norway, Iceland, Luxembourg etc.. not totally in the EU and there's none of this hysteria - face it, this is yet another ploy by the EU and deep State Remain establishment to force the breakdown of the democratic process

The only thing I can say is that thank God, the bombings haven't started again. Every time I hear of an incident I dread it's IRA or unionists.

Martina, for the umpteenth time, Ireland is not like those countries. There has been 800 years of British occupation, then persecution, then Irish paramilitary war against said occupation.

They are all part of Schengen, Martina, have been for years. Britain refused to sign up for Schengen, even when they were fully in the EU.

You really should do a bit of reading around this; the simple approach won't work, if it would that's the way the British government would be going, don't you think?

"And who said it's in the UK's court? err..like, yes we voted to leave the godforasken EU so if Juncker and his cronies don't want to deal then they will be held responible for creating the hard border that could result" - you are contracting yourself here; Britain voted for he change, so they are responsible for the result. The EU didn't cause this.

Also, Irish and English are intrinsically linked. Ireland doesn't necessarily want to be completed with the EU and totally unlinked to Britain either. It's more complicated.

I thought this was quite a good way of illustrating the problem...

it’s free trade and people or neither - you can’t pick and choose the ones you want

Yes you can, Canada got a FTA, dont think they agreed to free movement of people. The EU just want the money, they will will easily sort the border then.

*completely with the EU. Not completed.

I like it Sandy. Problem is that B can be somewhat problematic to deal with.

Another element to look at is where big companies are now moving their HQs to. Frankfurt or Paris. Not Dublin. I think they can see the Irish thing as being quite the problem going forward too. Nobody wants political instability.

This isn't about the movement of UK and Irish citizens, as we all have had the common travel area since 1923 (Irish independence). It is about the movement of goods and non-Irish EU citizens into the UK and goods into Ireland. If we continue to have freedom of movement for EU citizens for holidays, business meetings etc then it really is only about goods. Travelling over the border isn't the same as immigration and I think there would be absolute uproar across the UK if the government tried to make it more difficult for people to visit. The UK and Ireland aren't in Schengen, so they both already have passport controls with every other EU country, so the EU's exposure from having no border in Ireland is really not that big a deal from a movement of people point of view. It is so important that this border remains invisible and I do believe it is possible, but I don't trust Davis or Barnier to get there. I don't trust them on any part of this fiasco that is Brexit, but that is another matter.

Canada got a FTA

That took seven years - the UK has less than 1

What has Canada got to do with it?

I like that Sandy.