What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

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What is the most likely solution?

The trauma of losing it is for the Queen to feel.

Ireland also holds a veto over EU law changes. Nice and Lisbon treaties are two examples. No other country can.

All EU countries have a veto, unless it's changes that can be made by QMV (usually smaller changes). Ireland doesn't have a special veto. Every member state has the right to veto treaty changes such as Lisbon.

Luxembourg does not have a land border with ROI does it. You are being deliberately provocative, and have nothing to say that makes any sense anymore.

The sheer ignorance on this thread is shocking. It really is. I mean, I knew a lot of English (in particular) people didn't give a shit about anything but their own interests, and I've always felt a little sorry for the Welsh, Scots and NIrish for have to put up with their patronising attitudes, but the views shown on this thread are something else.

I've never been a one to take unnecessary offence, but really, if some of these comments were made about any other race or nationality or group of people they would be deleted as racist/bigoted/xenophobic.

It's unfuckingbelievable.

And the really shocking thing is that these views aren't one-offs. They are being expressed all over Britain (well, England anyway), by all sorts of people including those who should be making the decisions.

It's like a group of little kids playing cricket. Britain are saying "I don't want to play any more, so I'm going to head off, taking the ball and the bat (even though they don't belong to me) and I'm going to tell everyone you are a gang of bullies, trying to make me obey the rules of the game. The British government is stamping its feet, chucking its toys out of the pram and blaming everyone else.

Whizzi, the difference with Ireland is that it needs to go to a referendum. It's not just up to the government.

Cathy, my point was that I wouldn't know as much about Ireland as I do unless I was Irish.

I'm pissed off, but I'm a bit that Whoyagonna's second post is "Not educated enough to comment further."

Followed by a series of posts demonstrating her lack of education.

If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious.

The Irish government uses referenda as part of its constitution. That is a policy of national governance, nothing to do with it having a special power within the EU. Many other member states have also held referenda to ratify EU treaty changes, including Denmark, Austria, France and Italy.

I haven't a clue what's going on in Luxembourg. Since you've googled, they are probably getting along nicely. I am aware of the Irish/UK border issue though as I'm Irish.

I'm sure a lot of people from France have no notion that the Irish/UK border is even a question.
This is why I said Ireland tends to punch above its weight and IS like the annoying little sister.

Basically, everything sails along nicely until Ireland puts a spanner in the works.

Looking at the big picture is not in the UK's sights anymore is it. It is all about UK and what they can do to make life difficult for others.

Just because they took a leap in the dark and it is not working out the way the UK has always expected it to.

Anyway there are some quite racist and derogatory posts here tonight. Not nice at all. But just points out to me that some in the UK think everyone besides their own white anglo saxon population deserve derision.

Well Brexit had a non immigrant premise. Go figure.

Disgusting to me anyway. Others may find it OK though.

Do you think the EU wants to have to deal with the issue of an Irish border?

They and the UK never even considered it. It never occurred to them. In fact I recall being the first person to ask what would happen with our border in the very early days of Brexit talks and it was the first time it had occurred to anyone. This was in conversation with a journalist on FB. It was suddenly a major question.

Maryz asked if there is no need for borders, if free movement of goods, services and people is ok, why Brexit at all?

Well now, got to hand it you you, that one is a bit of a poser. Maybe we could call a referendum about it. That might learn 'em.

Of course people were aware of the border issue - I remember discussing it with a Brexiteer friend before the referendum (he acknowledged the problem but didn't have a solution...).

Ha ha,as if everything was sailing along nicely before the Irish question gained prominence.

The Good Friday peace agreement was big news around the world, with both the US and the EU being heavily involved. Anything that threatens that is of international significance.

Whizzi - I speak other European languages and believe me - it is not an issue being covered.

Fact check from Full Fact regarding the Irish border question from May 1
2016. The issue of the Irish border was always known to be a problem before
although the Remain campaign should have drawn more attention to it.
fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-and-irish-border/#.

I can also link you to an article from Le Monde published 6 days ago about the Irish border, so it is most definitely being discussed in other countries.

Gosh, not only is Whoyagonna definitely, really, 100%, absolutely not Irish, she also was the first person to raise the issue of the Irish border potentially causing a problem for the smooth progress of Brexit. The very first person. On a Facebook chat with a journalist, no less. After the Brexit talks had already started.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=mobile.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2017/11/22/avec-le-brexit-le-retour-des-postes-frontieres-poserait-un-defi-au-processus-de-paix-en-irlande_5218869_3214.html&ved=0ahUKEwjJjZWy79_XAhVSF8AKHZNeC6cQFggyMAE&usg=AOvVaw0J4s1OQaMjC21RGvSbPko1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">View from the French press on Irish border

Anyone else wondering why DFA haven't snapped Whoyagonna up?

Remember.... in case you forget that the Good Friday Agreement is an International Agreeement and the UK cannot unilaterally scupper it.

The rock they may perish on. But they still don't care.

Irish? Fuck them they are inbred terrorists or something like that will be the answer.

But I still haven't heard much from Corbyn either about this if he cares that is. And he supposed to be the Leader of the Opposition.

Nobody cares. It is only a little outpost UP THERE somewhere. But the UK taxpayer is paying billions to keep it going. Most of the workers are in Government jobs or retail. Nothing more really. They don't care.

But with no Assembly and an intransigent DUP in May's ahem... underwear, it is just all wrong. But that's politics for you.

I've been on MN for more years than I care to remember and this is the very first time I've been desperate for a hide poster option . I'm really hoping she sobers up by the morning.

Finallyhere - I've now asked that question about a hundred times and no-one has ever given me an answer. I'm beginning to think there isn't one. People, in real life and online, keep saying "Brexit doesn't mean borders, Britain doesn't want any borders, it's only the EU/Ireland who want borders" and at the same time saying "Brexit will stop immigration". Both statements can't be true.