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cjt110 · 24/07/2017 12:59

This is a thread following the legal and ethical questions raised by the recent court case involving Charlie Gard.

Please could we refrain from insulting or otherwise "bashing" his parents. It isn't in the spirit of Mumsnet and will get the threads removed.

Please could we also remember that at the heart of this case is a terminally ill baby and his heartbroken parents. There are those participating in and watching this thread for whom these issues are painful. Please let's try and be mindful of them when we post. This isn't a place for name calling or trivialising the very real pain they feel. Many parents of severely disabled children are on here.

Lastly, here are some hopefully useful reference points of facts surrounding the case.

13 July GOSH position statement on latest hearing (includes update on Charlie's condition):
www.gosh.nhs.uk/file/23611/download?token=aTPZchww

7 July GOSH statement on Charlie:
www.gosh.nhs.uk/news/latest-press-releases/latest-statement-charlie-gard

June 2017 Supreme Court decision:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6rPmvGlNhA&app=desktop

May 2017 Court of Appeal Decision:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2017/410.html

April 2017 High Court Decision:
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2017/972.html

GOSH FAQ page on Charlie:
www.gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

Timeline so far

August 4, 2016 Charlie born 8lb 3oz to Connie Yates and Chris Gard.

October 2016 Tests reveal mitochondrial depletion syndrome.
Believed to be only 16th sufferer in the world of rare strain.

Autumn 2016 Miss Yates finds specialist in US testing nucleoside therapy, but it has never been tried on Charlie’s rare type.

January Gosh doctors say drug would be futile because of irreversible brain damage. Parents contact US doctor.

March Gosh asks High Court to let Charlie die. Mr Justice Francis gives parents a month to make case for treatment. Daily Mail readers help raise £197,000 in days to help fly Charlie to US.

April Doctors say he is likely to be in pain. Judge rules Gosh should let him die.

May Court of Appeal upholds ruling. Parents appeal to Supreme Court.

June Supreme Court rejects appeal. On June 27, European judges back decision. Gosh gives parents more time with Charlie. Pope Francis intervenes, followed by Donald Trump on July 3.

July 7 Seven scientists hand Gosh fresh evidence showing higher survival chances.

July 10 Mr Justice Francis gives parents 48 hours to produce new evidence in case.

July 13 US specialist Dr Michio Hirano invited to London by High Court

July 17 Dr Hirano examines Charlie.

July 21 Court told scan results ‘very sad’.

Today, 24 July, High Court due to rule on the case, ten days before Charlie’s birthday.

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cjt110 · 24/07/2017 13:41

Thank you Miranda

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Maryz · 24/07/2017 13:42

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LapinR0se · 24/07/2017 13:44

CA have not turned off commenting. You could never comment unless you were a member.

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cjt110 · 24/07/2017 13:45

My feed is coming from news.sky.com/story/live-judge-considers-charlie-gards-future-10959647

13:42 Balloons and messages for Charlie and his parents have been attached to railings outside the High Court

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Yamayo · 24/07/2017 13:48

I wonder what will happen if Armstrong tries to delay proceedings.

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GinSoakedTwitchyPony · 24/07/2017 13:48

Maryz some of the placards the kids have been given to hold in previous protests had very upsetting wording. I'm afraid that many of those children will be afraid to go into hospital, or even to the GP, if they've been involved to that extent.

MirandaWest · 24/07/2017 13:48

Ah so if people reply quickly enough then there will be comments but they're being turned off pretty much immediately?

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 24/07/2017 13:49

Fergus Walsh for the BBC is also tweeting. Not sure I can carrying on following this - feel totally overcome. Just been to light a candle for Charlie with my baby and sobbed all over the priest

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WeDoNotSow · 24/07/2017 13:50

Thanks so much for that Miranda.
I liked the previous sky link as when the correspondents were tweeting, one might mention something the other hadn't.

cjt110 · 24/07/2017 13:51

Today's hearing is due to begin at 2pm

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GabsAlot · 24/07/2017 13:51

thanks for thread cj just catching up

Lissette · 24/07/2017 13:52

I know how you feel Gobbolino. I'm pretty much the same myself. Very kind of you to light a candle.

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GabsAlot · 24/07/2017 13:53

looks lik th pastor is there droning on about poltics

cjt110 · 24/07/2017 13:54

@skyrobcatherall Waiting outside Court 50 at the High Court for the latest Charlie Gard hearing. Family has arrived.

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Gobbolinothewitchscat · 24/07/2017 13:55

He was very kind and said that God would guide the judge and he is praying that the decision is respected and for peace and love for everyone involved.

So - I think it's fair to say there are at least two Catholics in the U.K. (him and me) who don't agree with all of this absoluteist right to life crap that's being spouted on our behalf

oakleaffy · 24/07/2017 13:56

Is it possible for a luddite without a smartphone to follow Joshua Rosenburg's live tweets?? [eg, on laptop]

If so, could someone possibly post a link to the most accurate Court reporting?

Much appreciated, thanks.
P.S Have seen online 'live' video of CA milling about outside Court.

GabsAlot · 24/07/2017 13:56

i psnally think the court room should b closed to genral supporters

Jedbartletforpresident · 24/07/2017 13:56

Cjt - does that sky live feed post all the Sky twitter updates from JR/IanWood/RobCatherall? (Would save me having 5 different tabs open on my phone if so!)

Gobbolinothewitchscat · 24/07/2017 13:56

Ps - sorry for bringing God into this, I just wanted to make the point though about what the Catholic Church is assumed to think from a news perspective. Will stop now

Ellie56 · 24/07/2017 13:57

That pastor pursuing his own agenda has no place being there. Angry

GabsAlot · 24/07/2017 13:57

cj will b posting tweets as they come up