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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 17/07/2017 18:34

"It was revealed last week that one family was offered a flat in a tower block while a disabled woman was asked if she would live in a building with no lift"

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BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 17/07/2017 20:59

The BBC timeline upthread... :(

BertieBotts · 17/07/2017 21:22

The twitter one? I can't bring myself to click it :(

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 17/07/2017 21:28

It has conversations and computer modelling of who was where in the building at what time.

Lucysky2017 · 18/07/2017 07:59

That BBC timed event is a very good summary www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/grenfell_voices

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HelenaDove · 18/07/2017 14:31

Make housing associations subject to FoI says industry bosses
by David Sharman Published 18 Jul 2017
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A proposed law making housing associations subject to the Freedom of Information Act has won the backing of the regional and national press trade body.

The News Media Association is supporting a bill which has been proposed and drafted by the Campaign for Freedom of Information.

The CFOI is urging MPs who won the right to introduce their own bill in a ballot last week to sponsor their Freedom of Information (Contractors etc) Bill, which would allow the public to see information held by contractors about public services they provide.

The bill would apply to contracts delivered either by commercial bodies or charities, and would also bring local child safeguarding boards and housing associations under the FoI Act.

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For the bill to go forward at this stage one of 20 MPs who were successful in the 29 June Private Members Bill ballot would need sponsor it.

Maurice Frankel, CFOI director, said: “Housing associations have for years actively resisted coming under FOI. The result is that when questions are put to them they can fold their arms, look the other way and refuse to answer.

“Concern about the safety of their premises after the Grenfell fire makes that unsustainable

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HelenaDove · 18/07/2017 21:00

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40632705

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HelenaDove · 19/07/2017 17:18

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0592rjc

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HelenaDove · 19/07/2017 18:03

RBKC council meeting tonight at 6.30pm.

Live feed here......

www.rbkc.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/council-meeting-webcast-19-july-2017

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HelenaDove · 19/07/2017 18:17

"Those failures persist today. Still there are residents without wheelchairs, and tales being told of caseworkers who have to be chased and then still fail to deliver. There is, residents say, a lack of information available in traumatised residents’ first languages, and a failure to deliver meaningful and convincing assurances that tenancy or immigration irregularities won’t cost survivors their right to be re-housed or even to remain here"

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mrsglowglow · 19/07/2017 22:55

Thanks for the links Helena.

I can't see how the current cabinet can remain at rbkc. The sooner they go the better. How can they be trusted by the residents? All the dodgy property development deals that have gone on as well. Now we know why they have all those millions in the bank.

HelenaDove · 20/07/2017 00:08

Ive been following the twitter feed of @DawnHFoster Shes a Guardian journalist who tweeted live from the meeting Heartbreaking Sad

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HelenaDove · 20/07/2017 00:09

YY Mrs glow That trust is gone and it wont come back.

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HelenaDove · 20/07/2017 00:17

Ed Daffarn is the writer of the Grenfell blog and says he Elizabeth Campbell was one of the ones warned about the dangers prior to the fire when residents also complained of shoddy workmanship and bullying by the contractors

twitter.com/rachaelvenables/status/887753926539268096

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HelenaDove · 21/07/2017 19:52

"Hodkinson carried out a qualitative survey of 14 homes refurbished by Rydon that had been the subject of a huge number of complaints. Showers were fitted next to electric fans. A toilet was installed so close to a wall that you could only sit on it sideways. Some households went for days without electricity and weeks without cooking facilities. Cupboards were fitted with wrongly size doors. Tenants who complained reported that they were treated dismissively. One remembered the site supervisor saying to him, “It ain’t Chelsea, mate.” Regenter’s out-of-hours emergency line linked to the wrong database, so callout engineers weren’t available. The striking thing was how long problems could drag out: one family’s flat was flooded in January 2014, and repairs weren’t even scheduled till September. Two years later, their flat still hadn’t been fully repaired and redecorated. Even at the most straightforward level, the work wasn’t done to a decent standard.

When approached for comment, Rydon said that since the complaints were made, three years ago, attempts have been made to remedy the problems. They said the comments were not reflective of most of the residents, and that there was a good level of satisfaction among the residents now.

For tenants with more complicated requirements, the situation was worse. The Cifuentes family, one of whom used a wheelchair, was left without ramps, hoists or any means of escape in a fire, and without a lock on the front door. Repairs were so slow and haphazard that, at one point, the family had to move out for over a month, and the disabled member could only have his needs met by going into a respite unit – whereupon they were threatened with losing their carer’s allowance, their disability allowance and their car."

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HelenaDove · 21/07/2017 19:58

"There were countless other concerns, which Stuart Hodkinson reported to the Health and Safety Executive, as well as to senior officers and elected members of Lambeth and other London councils, the fire service, the gas, water and electricity boards – anyone he could think of. “The response was generally pathetic,” he says.

The Health and Safety Executive took six weeks to reply, then apologised for the “ridiculous amount of time it had taken to investigate”, but did offer two important revelations – that Regenter as the principal contractor did not have an efficient system for managing and monitoring the 14 sub-contractors on site when they visited; and that cuts to health-and-safety funding meant that their scope for investigating and enforcing standards was reduced. Hodkinson was told to contact the Trading Standards authority, but residents across different council housing regeneration schemes told him there was no point as “local authorities do not investigate themselves”

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