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Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

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HelenaDove · 05/07/2017 19:46

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. Thanks Thanks to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

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HelenaDove · 21/07/2017 20:00

There is much much more in the article than i have copied and pasted. An absolutely shocking heartbreaking read.

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HelenaDove · 25/07/2017 19:05

A look at the culture of TMOs and housing associations on Channel 4 news tonight.

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HelenaDove · 27/07/2017 17:01

www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=4021

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HelenaDove · 27/07/2017 17:02

Tonight, the public will be locked out of a 'public' meeting about fire safety in the city's tower blocks, as a scrutiny meeting of councillors, which should be open and transparent, will be heard behind closed doors.

The Growth and Prosperity Scrutiny Panel of Salford City Council is made up of backbench councillors who are charged with holding officers and Cabinet members to account for their actions. These meetings are always held in public, and the public can usually ask questions.

However, at this evening's Scrutiny Panel, a 'Verbal Update on Fire Safety in respect of Salford Tower Blocks', by Chief Officer Ben Dolan and Deputy Mayor and newly appointed 'fire tsar', John Merry, is to held in 'Part 2': Closed To The Public.

Salford City Mayor, Paul Dennett, has stated that fire safety reports relating to Salford tower blocks will be made public, and Councillor John Warmisham, at last week's council meeting, was praising John Merry for the way he's been getting information out to the public, which, he added was "second to none". Tonight there will be just 'none'.

The Salford Star understands that councillors themselves had problems bringing the issue of how the Council is handling fire safety to their Growth and Prosperity Scrutiny Panel after being originally refused permission to discuss the subject. Following protests by councillors, permission was finally granted – but the public has now been excluded

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mrsglowglow · 27/07/2017 22:34

In light of the latest police statement I do wonder how the current board of the tmo and the council can remain in their positions? Surely with the message that corporate manslaughter charges are likely to be brought against them, the government should urgently be taking over the management of these organisations? Also does this mean that individuals responsible will be able to hide behind a corporate manslaughter charge? Does this mean no prison sentence? I don't know what to think.

HelenaDove · 27/07/2017 23:38

David Lammy has tweeted a screenshot of the sentencing council guidelines. Corporate manslaughter = fine.

twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/890628641431797760

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mrsglowglow · 27/07/2017 23:55

Time will tell and the victims and survivors can only sit and wait for the investigations and eventual charges made. How perverse will our justice system be though if no prison sentences? When it comes to monetary fraud individuals that represent corporate organisations go to prison.

HelenaDove · 29/07/2017 00:52

Notting Hill housing have agreed to a merger "in principle" with Genesis who announced two years ago they would no longer build social homes.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/associations-agree-merger-in-principle/

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HelenaDove · 29/07/2017 18:07

Chalcots Estate Residents Info.

www.facebook.com/groups/1697041063654533/?fref=nf

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HelenaDove · 29/07/2017 19:41

THE physical and psychological toll of the Chalcots evacuation on residents who left their homes in high-rise blocks over safety fears triggered by the Grenfell Tower tragedy can be laid bare for the first time today.

The New Journal has discovered that doctors have prescribed medication to residents suffering from anxiety and depression caused by the disruption, while others have experienced a worsening of pre-existing conditions.

One man who is recovering from a heart attack and another undergoing intensive chemotherapy are among the 3,000 people who have spent a month being shuttled between hotel rooms and temporary accommodation.

Many say Camden Council have failed to properly consider the impact on their health. Jelena Stephenson, whose husband Julian is being treated for chronic lymphoid leukaemia, feared the disruption would affect his health. An operation to amputate three fingers that had been damaged by cancer was delayed.

She said: “We never had the impression that we were treated as a priority. We weren’t asking for much. We didn’t want special accommodation. We just didn’t want to be moving between different places. We wanted to stay in one room to settle down and rest. For my husband that’s the most important thing.” After being admitted to hospital after a bad reaction to his latest bout of chemotherapy, the couple were forced to attend Swiss Cottage leisure centre to register for temporary accommodation.

Ms Stephenson said: “When Julian was out of hospital we had to go to the leisure centre and he had to wear a mask to protect him from germs. It was not adequate for my immune-compromised husband and that’s what I was trying to avoid.”

Saranda Hajdari, who lives in on the 10th floor of Burnham with her parents and siblings, has felt the pressure mount in recent weeks. She said: “I represented my family with all correspondence with Camden and I have been very badly treated. The stress this has caused me personally is unbelievable. I have been to the doctors’ who have prescribed anti-depressants and have told me I am not fit to work because of stress and anxiety.”

Michelle Urqhuart said the discovery that the building was unsafe had brought back haunting memories of an earlier fire at Dorney. She has been prescribed anti-anxiety medication by her GP. She said: “That fire keeps going through my mind. The smoke was billowing up the stairs. I’m having counselling because in the first two weeks I was having panic attacks.

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HelenaDove · 29/07/2017 19:42

Khudeja Begum said she was worried about the impact on her children. She said: “I was walking my six-year-old to school and she asked me what would happen if there is a fire in our house. She said, ‘we can’t go out the window, we would die’. A six-year-old shouldn’t be thinking about things like that. That broke my heart.”

Simon Morris, who has spent the month out of London, said: “Whenever I have had to try and deal with Camden, that’s when my anxiety goes sky high. They don’t seem to get quite how traumatic this whole thing has been, being evacuated from your home. I keep emphasising they are homes, not flats. For Camden, they are just flats.”

Christopher Mason, who edits Getting Better, a newsletter for the mental health community in Camden, said: “When you consider that 400 people in every 1,000 suffer with mental health problems in their lives, then the enormity of the problem becomes apparent. “There are two main groups of people involved here. The first consists of those people who have enduring mental health problems and have been faced with the trauma of being decanted. The second includes people who find themselves newly stressed because of events happening around them.”

Council leader Georgia Gould said: “We are taking an individual approach and we have done all the way through, working with social workers, family support workers and the mental health trust to make sure people are supported who had existing conditions or health issues. “We have also identified new issues and made referrals. I have talked to so many people who have been very stressed and made very anxious by this whole experience. We are looking to work with the voluntary sector to do some events and put in more support in the estate more generally to support people, but where there is an individual issue we are making referral to offer them support, or their children support. I recognise it’s going to take time.” She said that social workers had been on the estates from the first day of the evacuation.

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 01:43

From FB but is on twitter #refugewomen

Need help from my journalist/blogger/legal friends. I am currently in a women's refuge in central London managed by Notting Hill Housing Trust. Last night our ceiling crashed in. Luckily no one was seriously injured but there are 7 vulnerable families living here who have fled domestic violence (8 children in total) and we have no electricity and cannot access our rooms/belongings due to flooding. Kensington and Chelsea are attempting to move us out of London tonight. We are all refusing to leave because we know that it means we will out for good. Can anyone help/advise/spread about what is happening here. From 7 desperate women.

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 01:44

" We have been told that if we stay here and die (due to fire) then it is our fault and housing association will take no responsibility, despite the fact that where they are trying to house us is a danger area for a few of the residents here"

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 18:38

"On Sunday evening I sat outside a pub in west London with a group of women, some of whom were crying. A man on a nearby table asked us why we were there, presuming a birthday party gone wrong, or a messy breakup had led to the scene. We were vague and cagey with our answer: “We live in a domestic violence refuge and we’re facing immediate homelessness and danger, so called a journalist for help” isn’t generally a great conversation starter.

Just after midnight that morning, the ceiling had collapsed in one woman’s bedroom: mercifully, she was visiting friends that night. The fact she has a condition that puts her at high risk of a heart attack doesn’t bear thinking about. For two weeks prior in the refuge, the sprinkler system had been leaking heavily: the women showed me the flooding they endured – ankle deep in some bedrooms, and wallpaper bulging with stale water.

Finally, the leak caused the ceiling to fall in. They rang the fire brigade and the housing association that owns the house and the charity that runs the shelter service. When the emergency services arrived, a firefighter told them that if anyone turned on the power, the entire building would go up in flames. Removing a plug from the wall, he swore as water poured from the socket. They were left with torches and barely managed to sleep: seven women, and six children between the ages of two and seven, crowded into the communal living room.

Their children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence after fleeing abuse and violence
Then matters worsened. The women were phoned individually by the housing association and told they’d be put in temporary accommodation – with no guarantee of when they would return – in Barking, 15 miles away: an hour away on public transport, even though the women’s doctors, counsellors, key workers and friends are all in west London. The children are in play schemes in west London, where they’re building confidence and making friends after fleeing abuse and violence. But worse: some of the women have ex-partners in Barking and east London, men who have told them that if they ever saw them again, they would murder them. One of the mothers was promised that if her husband ever had the opportunity he’d lock her and her son in the house and burn it to the ground.

Understandably terrified, they all refused, and were told there would be nothing else offered. By doing this, they were putting themselves at risk of being declared “intentionally homeless”, meaning they would be out on the streets with the housing association refusing to help.

The women are all intelligent, articulate, educated and speak multiple languages: model citizens on paper to the current government. And yet, because of their situation, they felt they were “scrabbling in the dirt, at the bottom of society”. They repeatedly said they felt like dirt, telling me I was wrong when I objected to them describing themselves as “scum”. They were treated as such by a system that bullies and harasses them and puts them in danger. Time and again I’ve heard near-identical tales of people having their humanity, dignity and worth stripped away due to homelessness and fleeing violence. Needing housing makes you extremely vulnerable: too often, being in need and having to rely on councils, housing associations and shelters in turn means you are treated like a criminal.

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The women lived in the same borough Grenfell Tower stands: to reach them, my bus had to pass the blackened shell. For a period it felt as though the tragedy had heightened public understanding of why housing is genuinely a life or death issue and brought shame on the nation, that we fail some of our most vulnerable time and again.

But the same situation continues to play out time and again: these women were at risk in the house, and at risk in the far-flung accommodation they’d been offered. Desperate to stay together in the small friendship group they’d forged, they had decided to fight: many others would have accepted the offer, and been placed in danger as a result.

With press attention, advice from lawyers who gave their time for free on Sunday night, and pressure from the MP Jess Phillips, whose experience in the domestic violence sector was invaluable, we were able to get assurances that the women would be housed locally until repairs are completed. But for every one of these experiences, many people won’t have a happy ending. Grenfell Tower should have shocked us into treating people with empathy, compassion and care when they’re homeless or in danger: instead, it looks like business as usual"

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HelenaDove · 31/07/2017 19:58

channel 4 news are doing a social housing special tomorrow night.

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HelenaDove · 04/08/2017 18:37

The deadline for submissions to the Grenfell inquiry passed at 5pm today.

Approximately 330 submissions have been received according to ITV News.

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HelenaDove · 10/08/2017 18:49

Now Ledbury Towers to be evacuated.

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It's Ledbury estate by Old Kent Rd, built in late 60s using concrete panels, same as Ronan Point, where gas blast in 68 killed four people
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After Ronan Point all such blocks with gas supplies were meant to have been reinforced. Southwark council only just found Ledbury wasn't.
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It's pretty astonishing: 500+ people living in blocks which could have collapsed like house of cards in a gas explosion. For decades
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 35m35 minutes ago
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They've all had gas cut off, so most have no cooking, hot water or heating. Letter says they can go to local leisure centre for showers
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Southwark say they will "decant|" residents so checks and work can be done – ie moved out. Many residents furious.
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One resident said: "I cannot describe my anger. It's a miracle nothing has happened." Says residents fear blocks will be knocked down.
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It perhaps says a lot about modern London that 500+ poorer people have spent years living in homes which are hugely and obviously unsafe.

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HelenaDove · 10/08/2017 18:56

Document on what happened at Ronan Point in 1968.

engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1021&context=encee_facpub

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HelenaDove · 10/08/2017 20:14

From the Guardian.

Hundreds of people have been told they will have to leave their homes on an estate of tower blocks in London after safety checks carried out following the Grenfell Tower fire found the buildings had been at risk of collapse for decades.

In a development with potentially major implications for blocks elsewhere, residents of the Ledbury estate said they were shocked and alarmed to learn that the four 13-storey blocks were at risk of collapse in the event of a gas explosion in one of the flats.

Southwark council, which owns the blocks in Peckham, south-east London, has sent a letter to residents of the 242 flats saying they will have to “temporarily decant the blocks over the coming weeks and months” for emergency works.

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The council has immediately ordered the gas supplies to be cut off, leaving most residents without cooking facilities, hot water and heating. The letter said officials would distribute electric hotplates and that residents could take showers at a local leisure centre.

The discovery that the blocks are structurally unsafe heralds a potential new series of safety worries about high-rise flats, which since the Grenfell Tower blaze have mainly been focused on fire safety, notably flammable cladding.

Arnold Tarling, a surveyor and fire safety expert who first spotted the problem at the Ledbury estate, said it was likely there would be many other blocks around the country with similar problems.

The Ledbury blocks were constructed between 1968 and 1970 using a method called large panel system, in which giant concrete sections were bolted together on site. The same technique was used at Ronan Point, a tower block in east London which partly collapsed in 1968 following a gas explosion. Four people died and 17 were injured when a blast from a gas stove in an 18th-storey flat caused a series of floors to collapse on to each other, one of the most notorious public disasters of the era.

An investigation said buildings built using the same method must be reinforced, or else have no gas supply. Southwark council, which took over the Ledbury blocks from the former Greater London Council, said it believed they had been strengthened.

After the Grenfell Tower blaze, which killed at least 80 people, worried residents urged action over big cracks in walls between flats on the estate, which they feared could allow a fire to spread through a block. They asked Tarling to check the cracks, but while on the estate he raised parallel concerns about the gas supply, identifying the structure as potentially unsafe.

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Southwark had already employed engineers Arup to examine the blocks, and on Thursday the council wrote to residents saying its belief that the buildings had been reinforced “may not be correct”. The gas supply was being turned off and locals would be moved out, the letter said.

A council spokeswoman said it was not yet known how long residents would need to leave for, as this depended on further surveys.

One resident, who asked to not be named, said she was appalled to learn she had been “living for years in a death trap”. “I cannot describe my level of anger at Southwark council,” she said. “Not only is the gas supply illegal, but the structure of the building is potentially unsafe. It’s a miracle no one was killed over this time.”

The resident said it was an insult to ask people to shower at leisure centres, saying they should be moved to hotels. “We’ve got people in their 80s, who are blind, who are being asked to traipse along with their towels and a change of clothes.”

Tarling said he was aghast at the safety lapse. “As soon as I walked in and saw the gas supply, I knew it was all wrong,” he said. “Southwark council did not listen to me, and you really have to question their competence.”

In a statement, Southwark’s deputy leader and cabinet member for housing, Stephanie Cryan, said: “We didn’t own the blocks when they were constructed at the end of the 1960s, but all the reports we found suggested the blocks were strengthened following the Ronan Point incident in 1968 to make them safe to include a gas supply.

“Arup’s structural investigations suggest this strengthening may not have occurred, and we have therefore turned off the gas until further investigations can be done.”

The council had written to the Department of Communities and Local Government about the issue, she added, “as it may well have implications for other blocks around the country that were constructed in this way”

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