Grenfell Tower The Aftermath Thread SIX.

[HelenaDove]

I thought i would take the oppurtunity to start thread six as thread five is now coming to an end. to all those lost in the fire their survivors families friends and volunteers.

Link to thread five which also includes links to previous threads.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2959251-London-Fire-Grenfell-Tower-thread-five?pg=1

I don't know if it was a coincidence or as a result of the grenfell tower fire putting the housing crisis in the spotlight but I was glad to see the property guy Phil Spencer's new program focus on the housing dilemma facing so many people trying to rent. Makes a change to the usual property TV programs showing people making huge profits laying the property game. The housing situation in our country is a mess.

The trauma of that poor family Helena. So devastating :(

Oh i missed that mrs glow Will have to catch up.

Unfortunately the nastiness towards tenants in general still prevails.

Some of the comments ive seen online both towards the Grenfell residents and other SH tenants are disgusting

And i couldnt help noticing that when James O Brien brought up the Grenfell blog tonight the Conservative MP steered him away from it.

In fact the attitudes towards tenants seem to be getting worse not better.

They have been through such horror.

Had a bit of a problem with BT this end. They said it wouldnt be fixed till tomorrow night but am now suddenly back on.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grenfell-tower-survivors-slam-met-10786780

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grenfell-volunteers-lost-jobs-sacrificed-10779400

"Because we are tenants we are seen as subhuman"

video of last nights meeting.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-tower-fire-council-meeting-furious-residents-mass-murder-accusations-a7838386.html

Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March Jul 11
Replying to @flutterbyfjl @joedafoneUK @Geryonsback

This guy is, Hardcore Stalinist riddled with the politics of envy.
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Joe Delaney‏ @joedafoneUK Jul 11

Politics of envy? Envy of what? You?

Let me assure you that bitter people like you have nothing but my pity.
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Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March Jul 11

you know exactly what the politics of envy is Joe. You're well versed in the terminology. So do ur Momentum chums Danny & Tim 😂
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

His status/associations r irrelevant. He is an eloquent & perceptive witness. Probably artistic.
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

That'll be a massive help. Another SJW joins in.
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Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March Jul 11

Probably artistic - but not an expert of fires and their causes nor housing policy/building regs. But swooooooooonn Felicity 😀
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

You are behaving a bit desperately, you can't just hate on him because of this cause.
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Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March Jul 11

I don't hate on him. I'm merely extremely suspicious of his - and other 'activists' around that estate and it's cause - motive
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

Then you need to have a rethink. Did you see what happened to them all? Good caring people care for serious crime victims.
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

They do. Manchester was a crime. This was an accident, unless you know differently.
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

Manslaughter is a crime.
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

It is Felicity, well done. Now what has it got to do with an accident?
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

Wilful Neglect.
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

If you adhere to regulations and laws it cannot be wilful neglect.
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

The frames were aluminium. We've known that burns since the Falklands war. How this passed any test is beyond me.
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

.@Geryonsback @Becca_March @joedafoneUK There were gas pipes lining the tower corridors like factory water pipes - in huge quantities!
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Felicity Lowde‏ @flutterbyfjl Jul 11

.@Geryonsback @Becca_March @joedafoneUK The cladding was actually flammable - & the poor things only had one wrecked escape route!
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Dante Alighieri‏ @Geryonsback Jul 11

They were supposed to stay in their flats. They are designed to contain fires. No-one has put this cladding on, knowing it burns.
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Joe Delaney‏ @joedafoneUK Jul 12

Insulation & fire doors had been removed. @LondonFire isn't to blame as they expected all this to be there.
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Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March 22h22 hours ago

Removed by the residents - who sold them to builders on ebay!!!
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Joe Delaney‏ @joedafoneUK
Replying to @Becca_March @Geryonsback and

Are you insane? Stupid? Or just thick?

How dare you try to blame victims for the #GrenfellTower disaster; seek help urgently.
6:15 AM - 12 Jul 2017

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Just some of the shit Joe Delaney is getting on Twitter. From someone on twitter seems to be into the property market. I suspect thats what behind some of the hate. There are some out there worried and scared that this horrific event may mean changes to housing policy and thus affect the housing market!

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    Felicity Lowde‏ <strong>*</strong><strong>*</strong><strong>*</strong>@flutterbyfjl<strong>*</strong><strong>*</strong><strong>*</strong> 13h13 hours ago

Replying to @joedafoneUK @Becca_March and

I think this is a lady who enjoys being aggressively harsh at inappropriate times for her own bizarre capricious reasons.
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Dr Rebecca Marchant‏ @Becca_March 8h8 hours ago

Crush Boy says I'm thick, insane and stupid but I'm 'aggressively harsh'. Just DM him ur number Felicity - that's what ur working up to

Sorry I messed up the copy and paste a bit.

Terrible terrible comments regarding the tenants and the fire. Awful people digging around and wanting to slur the residents that are speaking up the truth of what's going on. They should be so ashamed. An 'accident'. Do some people really think this can be classed as an accident? No way.

It may well be corporate manslaughter. I doubt anyone deliberately wanted to kill people however as that is bad for business. It may also be an accident too - sometimes no one is responsible for things unfortunately in life.

Do you seriously believe that what happened here may be an accident Lucy? A high rise Tower where hundreds of people called home was refurbished in 2016 and clad in highly flammable cheap material (that the residents never wanted). No accident about this.

Nah, fire is an 'accident'. Having a residential building that goes up that fast is not.

I doubt that anybody deliberately intended 80 people to die, but there was clearly negligence on a massive scale involved. Therefore, not accident.

If you kill somebody when driving because you weren't paying attention to the road nobody says "Oh well it was just an accident, never mind". You'd have serious consequences and probably go to prison.

When people have responsibility for people's safety it needs to be taken very seriously, not treated as a check box to sign off and make somebody else's problem. The negligent driver can't blame their passengers for distracting them or the person for being in the way or the car manufacturer for not having safeguards and neither can they claim it was an accident when they were found to have not been taking the responsibility of driving seriously.

Just because this is a few steps removed does nor make it different.

www.essexlive.news/harlow-fire-station-to-lose-aerial-ladder-platform-used-to-tackle-tower-block-fires/story-30417694-detail/story.html

This is my thread on the Phil Spencer programme in case it's of interest, Helena.

It was a bit of an eye-opener, not least for Phil, I think.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/2977282-Phil-Spencer-find-me-a-home

Ta Hairy

List of the dead and missing in the guardian is heartbreaking.

Grenfell tower planner says the same things my dad has been saying. That regs were a lot stricter decades ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40571856

twitter.com/mamapie/status/885622719609524229

*Warning - this is a timeline of messages from survivors, eye witnesses and sadly those who never made it out. Utterly terrifying and horrific imagining how they suffered that night.

THIS DOCUMENT. Myatts Field North refurb.

www.geog.leeds.ac.uk/fileadmin/documents/research/pfisocialhousing/MFN_PFI_Refurb_Experiences_Report.pdf

Residents were told to remove their pets, but no compensation was offered to cover the
costs involved.
 No consideration was given to residents who worked night shifts.
 Workers used electricity paid for by of residents, without offering compensation.
 Doors were left open and residents were able to wander in unchallenged by workers
who did not know them.
 Quality alterations that residents had already made to their homes were ripped out to
make way for inferior alternatives.
 Supposedly completed electrical rewiring was found to be substandard and occasionally
dangerous.
 Supposedly completed pipe works and its housing were found to be substandard.
 In some homes, odd sized radiators and kitchen unit doors had been fitted.
 Flooding in one home had been caused by an unsupervised apprentice.
 Households were left overnight without running water or a toilet.
 At least one resident was left without electricity for a whole weekend.
 Some workers were found to be abusive, bullying and inconsiderate, especially towards
elderly or otherwise vulnerable residents.

stuart hodkinson‏ @stuhodkinson 3h3 hours ago
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#residents on #myattsfieldnorth claim on @itvnews they feel intimidated to speak out by #lambeth and #pfi contractor

novaramedia.com/2016/07/24/redeveloped-into-fuel-poverty-the-story-of-myatts-field-north/