Jeremy Corbyn at Glastonbury ugh

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What a creep!

I suspect that surfer is attempting to argue that people at Glastonbury only pretend to care about the poor but if they actually did the they wouldn't be at Glastonbury because they would have given their ticket money to charity instead. And if Corbyn really cared about poor people or minorities then he wouldn't speak at Glastonbury. So effectively, in her opinion, simply attending it makes you a hypocrite so your views aren't valid. She's rather they all just stayed home, propping up public services with all of their spare income and never having a voice or the opportunity to rally together...

surfer, the welfare state was set up because prior to that, the poor did depend only on charity. It was a haphazard, unfair system. We don't want a return to that. Charities shouldn't do the government's job for them.

I want the NHS to be properly funded by my taxes rather than relying on donations.

The NHS is properly funded, the money spent on it hasn't decreased for a long time, and is still going up year on year. Chucking money at it, DOESN'T! WORK! There's far too much wasteage.

Ha ha, exactly Bossadad!

The IFS showed there was no difference between Tory and Labour plans to fund the NHS. Labour's manifesto did nothing to address poverty - no lifting of the benefits cap/freeze etc so certainly no help to disabled people. In fact, the abolition of tuition fees will actively entrench poverty and reinforce middle class privilege by forcing university places to be restricted and therefore greatly reducing the number of poorer students going to university while the numbers richer students would be almost unaffected, as in Scotland. Truth be told, the Tories' dementia tax was a more socialist policy than anything in the Labour manifesto because it would directly affect inherited wealth.

But anyone who criticises St Jezza is a Tory . It's bloody pathetic.

What do you think would happen if millionaire Glastonbury organisers said - 'we're not having a festival for the next 3 years, but we'd like you to donate all the money you would have spent on tickets to charity'
How many people do you think would actually do that?
I'll tell you.
About 5.
Say what? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make? That people can't be supportive of JC unless they are prepared to forgo all entertainment/leisure activities in favour of giving any excess money to charity. Why would you think that? It seems a lot little extreme.

But anyone who criticises St Jezza is a Tory hmm.
Not at all seahorses I agree with the points you make re tuition fees and so called "dementia tax"
But overall, I still support JC.

Bossadad- great post!! My family are all creative groovers and lefties. Tories are a dreadfully prissy, frigid bunch aren't they? More at home listening to Mozart or reading Jeffrey Archer than embracing the diverse at Glasto.

this is my comment to OP

I mean if it came to it, and you had to choose between jeremy and Mike gove.....you just bloody wouldn't touch gove would you?
Farage or Chukka?
All tories are ugly bastards.

Actually i think their ugliness and life of sexual rejection drives them towards a life of avenging themselves on the rest of society by punishing them and taking from them. Ergo they become tories. Simples.

the abolition of tuition fees will actively entrench poverty and reinforce middle class privilege by forcing university places to be restricted and therefore greatly reducing the number of poorer students going to university
I would like to understand logic behind this statement because as a mother of soon 2-nd year student I can't understand how anyone can write such silly statement.

The NHS is properly funded, the money spent on it hasn't decreased for a long time, and is still going up year on year. Chucking money at it, DOESN'T! WORK! There's far too much wasteage.

And yet other rich European nations spend much more on health, both per capita and as a proportion of GDP.

Spending on health in real terms needs to rise just to keep still, because an ageing population has more, and more complex, health needs, and because cutting edge health technology is expensive.

Labours manifesto did nothing to address poverty - no lifting of the benefit caps/freeze so certainly no help to the disabled people

That's a lie. Unsuprisingly .

metro.co.uk/2017/05/16/labour-manifesto-jeremy-corbyns-key-policies-for-general-election-2017-6628153/

Great posts CaptainBrickbeard

It's the left's tolerance that I love. Frigid prissy, ugly. I don't find the left hip and groovy, I find them boring beyond belief.
And before it all starts, I have never voted Tory.

antimatter - at the moment, nearly 50% of young people go to university. Back in the days of free tuition, only a fraction of this number went, overwhelmingly students from richer families - not through ability but through sharper elbows so to speak. The introduction of fees enabled universities to greatly expand the number of places available and therefore enabled the incredible talent and potential of poorer people to be developed. Free tuition would result in a cap (as in Scotland). The numbers would have to be reduced. It wouldn't be the poshos who couldn't go.

The people I know who are at Glastonbury are all NQTs and are there rather than having a holiday this year. They all take other jobs during the six week break.

I didn't go because I'm much older and would prefer a summer holiday with my children.

We all voted Labour.

Like JC or not, he's got people enthused about politics. After Brexit and the Lancashire fracking decision, I had begun to feel as though I no longer had a voice. Now I feel more hopeful.

birds, I'm left wing and those posts really don't represent me or my views.

When May expressed jokey revulsion at the mental image of Corbyn naked, she was rightly criticised. I don't think any of us need to reduce ourselves to the level of calling those that disagree with us ugly, it's a juvenile tactic which helps no one's cause.

AwaywiththePixies27 - would you kindly like to point out exactly WHERE your article says the benefit cap will be lifted and disabled people will get more money? Because it must be typed in invisible pixels or something.

Thanks captain, I would have considered myself left wing until maybe a year ago. But I am just tired of it. The intolerance I have seen from the left is no different to some of the right wing hate. My left wing friend cheerfully showed me some internet meme the other day calling Theresa May a slag , nice. My expectations of the left are higher than that, but they consistently disappoint.

Has anyone seen this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr7zSDjctao

I am amazed at what he has become from what he was a year ago to who he is now.
I didn't think he would get this far, but he seems to be building momentum.

You said it wasn't mentioned in their manifesto. I pointed out it was.

Disagree with labour all you like but the rights argument will be a lot stronger if they didn't feel they had to resort to lies to justify it.

Here you go. People with disabilities will automatically have more money if the benefit cap is scrapped. Specifically people who had their £ reduced on the ESA WRAG Group. You only need to look at the huge backlog of appeal cases to see how many people with disabilities would be better off.

It's like the right have already forgotten about things like Remploy that got closed, or the ILF that got scrapped in the name of austerity.