Apologies if you thought the video was upsetting. I didn't post links to something horrific as that is counterproductive, but also because I myself would not countenance watching such material. The savagery is beyond imagining and you would never be able to unsee such horrors. Even acknowledging the problem intellectually is tough enough for us.
May I point out that the Masked Arab talks through why Isis is Islamic and there isn't any gory stuff in his videos as the action, so to speak, is cut beforehand. It does show preparation however and from a distance a missle launched and exploding ona group.
Indeed it is milder than almost any 18 rated movie and many Tv shows. It is however real. If you can watch Tv news of the Charlie Hebdo or Bataclam or Nice or Paris or London attacks then you can take ten seconds of the 15-30 min videos the Masked Arab put up.
I don't quite know how to react to someone saying I post I made was actually quite sane. That does rather imply the others were not or that I am not. It is that slur, possibly perceived in this case rather than real, that demeans the author, ignores the points made and results in people thinking they are not being listened to. Those people ignored eventually, if they feel the issue pressing enough, take morebdirect action. Not me clearly as I am eloquent, and well off enough to leave the country, but others are not as lucky.
Perhaps the Sikhs who fought dozens of Pakistani men in Rotherham to stop their daughters abuse are people you should keep in mind when thinking of those taking direct action rather than the lunatic chap from Cardiff.
I started posting here rather than lurking on MN on the education fora and others was because there was clearly some silly false equivalence being drawn. I hope we have moved past that.
Now given the weight of evidence I have posted and the Masked Arab's more eloquent and detailed proofs I note that none has said it is wrong. Maybe we can move on to the other side of the coin, the /far right wing/ threat as there is one? Note that is distinct from the "Tory scum destroying the NHS" rhetoric we hear. I think we are really talking about Britain First and their fellow travellers. I am not sure about the EDL. They have some nutters onboard but their initial purpose was no different from the Sikhs I mentioned above (Google for evidence as I don't have time. You will find it in Jay's report as well). I confess I know less about this side. Perhaps this is because they haven't caused the same destruction of property and life but also because their manifesto for changing western society is a political one at heart and there is no offer of Janna (paradise) if they die. They just die. This itself is a powerful disincentive to take extreme action. There is evidence that there are "far right" (inv commas as I really don't think they are right wing so much as totalitarian statists which is where the right/left circle meets itself again) morons around who will take action but they are like the skinheads and NF of the 70s/80s and I don't recall anyone saying they were a threat to national life back then and I don't see why that should be different now.
Search for "Deus vult" (please don't as there are some scumbags out there) and you will find hate filled rants that you might think equal that of Isis but they appear just thugs rather than zealots. Without some significant trigger events I don't think they will be anything more than a few fringe groups.
In the UK we have been mercifully free of fascists unlike the rest of Europe. We are all as a people a bit too middle of the road to let much happen. That might change if enoughfeel the state isn't looking after our popluation and citizens. There is significant evidence of that being true but it feels to me like British interia dampens change.
The right wing vs Islamic extremist risk debate is only possible with some real information. I set out to provide some and perhaps it has got through. None of it implies Muslims are bad people if, like EastMidsMumoglfOne, they put the bad bits aside and keep the good. If not, and estimates of 3000 active jihadis and 20000 genuine extremists (aka genuine believers) suggest enough do not, then we have a serious problem. The British army has