Grenfell Tower fire- thread three

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Seventeen tragic deaths confirmed so far, six victims provisionally identified.
Number of those who perished feared to rise into triple figures as search proceeds
Search for remaining victims expected to take weeks, sadly it’s considered unlikely that it will be possible to identify all the victims
Names of those still missing start to emerge
Nearly 80 victims being treated across six hospitals, with 15 still in critical care
Hundreds of people displaced and dispossessed, concerned about when and where they will be rehoused

Public inquiry ordered.
Criminal investigation launched.
Serious questions being asked about fire safety regulations, management of social housing, austerity and inequality.
Fire Brigade search of building expected to take weeks due to complexity of building, extent of fire damage and the necessity of undertaking a painstaking fingertip search.

“There must be arrests after this monstrous crime” David Lammy MP

‘Families rehoused last night been left clueless about where to spend next nights. No word from #kccouncil. Chaos.” Emily Maitlis, BBC

“We have to act as if it was our friends, our family in that block” Nick Hurd MP, Policing and Fire Minister

“Someone needs to be held accountable. These deaths could have been prevented.” Local resident to Sadiq Khan

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Oh lord thank you Witch.

We can not let this become another Hillsborough with a shitty public inquiry that didn't get the truth.
I either read or saw on interview with someone (possibly a lawyer?) saying the public need to demand an 'inquest' rather than a public inquiry.
Not too sure what the difference is though. Does anyone know?

Re the death toll, I don't think this is being suppressed.

Having worked in the public sector, I know that you're not allowed to guesstimate, even when it's fucking obvious. So although any police or fire officer with any experience will be able to look at the block and say "Oh Jeez, at least 150", the police/fire service won't be able to say that officially.

The BBC is also highly regulated in this way - that's why it's so slow to report on things that are already known on Twitter or in tabloid papers, because it has to wait for an official source and not "hearsay".

Residents just having visitors might complicate working out who was there. There may be people whose families have no idea they were there, because they are not residents. Would your family always know when you had a night out and where you might end up sleeping?

I noticed that the broadcasters were talking in terms of scores unaccounted for from quite early yeasterday. I really do think that no-one knows.

Who staffs a casualty bureau?

Because looking at all the reports of missing people (some of which might be duplicates) to work out a reasonably comprehensive list must be quite a task, and that's before the cross-referencing with known tenants/residents, and then further cross referencing with those who have turned up seeking assistance (and giving accounts of who they saw inside and outside the building), and also those known to be in hospital. Plus description of any unidentified in hospital (both description of the person's likely age/sex/height and other identifying detail, plus from where they were retrieved)

And it's a task where you really donate want to be getting anything wrong.

I am trying to get a new window at the moment, in our terraced home one window is a dangerous bottom opener.

Our window man has been utterly stringent on the law saying we cannot replace it with a top opener, it has to be one or the other or both.

So we are having a bottom opener and a top opener idea being bottom stays locked - all in case of FIRE and being able to get out.

An inquest should be faster and will be driven by the victims' families. A public inquiry will be driven by the government - and will often report selectively (and be deliberately dragged out). The report author will be chosen by the govt, etc. See Iraq war.

We had a fire on our road - there was 15 people packed into a terraced house, the press knew this and reported it but the council insisted only about 5 people lived there. It was a lodging house, run down, ruthless LL etc, pack em in....he told them all to get lost after the fire. Our problem wasn't no fire alarm it was a too sensitive one that went off all the time, so when a real fire occurred.....no one responded. Luckily no life was lost.

However - after the fire guess what - fire alarm still in situ that went off all the time and no one was interested from council, fire bridage - no one.

The fire brigade were drawing from a hydrant outside the building. This would have significantly reduced pressure so that people on higher floors may not have been able to get any water. I doubt it was turned off maliciously.

They don't even have to have been sleeping - 1am is a reasonable time to be at a friend's during Ramadan, breaking the fast.
As I'm sure I read at least one family were. :(

Would the water have been "off" in the block due to the fire hoses using all of the pressure, or is it a separate supply?

X post bertie

On the subject of releasing information, I was absolutely applied to see that the name and photograph of the resident who's fridge is reported as having exploded were printed in The Sun and The Fail. An absolute low in my opinion, they can't have been trying to achieve anything other than cheap sensationalism at a victims expense. I weep for the world we live in these days if such behaviour is so flagrantly demonstrated.

BertieBotts

Sorry I wasn't suggesting it was malicious.

Just saying the water wasn't working so the suggested flooding the flats unfortunately wouldn't work.

Fire hydrants draw from the mains water, when they tested ours recently we were told to expect low pressure for the duration.

Yes that makes sense

Big yellow oh yes I agree that subletting is bad, I was just commenting on its impact in this tragedy.

I met someone (friend of a friend if a friend) who lived abroad in Europe but sublet their HA property. That's so wrong, and I hope that they were caught by the recent moves in the last few years to stop this practice.

Ah the Queen, I can imagine that if I was destitute a visit from the hugely wealthy and immensely landed would be just the ticket

On the night/morning of the fire the water company put out a warning of low water pressure across a whole list of postcode areas due to the fire fighting at Grenfell.

Woman who is looking for her mum and other relatives talking on the BBC now.

She is SO calm. Maybe she is in shock.

witch I didn't take it that you meant it was maliciously turned off - I assumed not working due to damage problems with the fire.

I just worry that some posters might stay inside their flat if there was a fire in their building....always try and get out!

@Badbadbunny I hope you're right but I just don't have that much confidence given high rise safety still hasn't been reviewed after the 2009 Lackanal fire.

peace I think it's good the queen is there. People seem happy to see her. Obviously not everyone would be, but I don't see her as the problem in this.

The lady whose sister and three daughters has been back on tv...she's saying she isn't getting any information and she's hoping they are in hospital.

So, it's right what I was saying. Someone should help her and tell her if they are in hospital or not.
Poor woman is distraught.

The glacial slowness of government reports and reviews is risible.

peace Actually, I think the volunteers and the majority of residents will like Queenie and Wills popping in. Firstly, it continues to keep their plight on the radar worldwide far more than the likes of Lily Allen. Secondly, because it shows up the total lie that was "can't meet residents due to security" spouted by Theresa May's people. If it's safe enough for Liz, it's bloody safe enough for her.

A few families own vast areas of land and property whilst others are crammed into high rise flats so unsafe they end up as human torches
That what comes to my mind when I see her majesty at the scene of the tragedy