Ched Evans Cleared - I Still Believe Her

[ChampagneCommunist]

Just seen this in the BBC website. His poor, poor victim

I believe her. Awful and shocking. Poor woman.

I believe her.

I don't believe in the judicial system. Victims of rape are now on their own.

So the new evidence was that she is a woman who has had consensual sex with other men than the one alleged to have raped her.

That's it.

On that basis, every woman who has ever had enjoyable sex while they were drunk, needs to be prepared to have any man put his cock in her while she's drunk, irrespective of whether she's up for it, not up for it or too out of her tree to have an opinion about it.

The world has just become that little bit safer for rapists and that little bit more dangerous for us and our daughters.

shiny, I don't think they can. She made no complaint of rape - she went to the police because she woke up naked in a hotel room with no memory. The police found out Evans had booked the room and took it from there. I don't see that he would have any case against her. He accused himself out of his own mouth.

i think the vast majority of MNers believe her. vile fucker he is

I still believe her.

I also do not believe in the judicial system, especially re rape.

Ched Evans is a rapist, and that is not libellous, it's a fact.

I also believe her. This whole situation stinks.

Thank you Spartacus. At least he can't drag the poor woman through that too.

Its so depressing to see so many men on social media cheering Ched and calling the victim a slut. Is this really how most men see women? :(

I have two sons, and I will not have them growing up thinking that this sort of thing is acceptable in any way.

I will be boycotting any magazines, news papers and TV channels that give him and her interviews.

Money clearly trumps justice.

The judicial system is a joke, a totally unfunny joke

I find this terrifying.

I'm shocked at this outcome. It's physically sickening to think how he will be lauded as the come-home hero. He's a vile man and money talks.

I also believe her. Not that she ever actually accused him of rape - she was too enebriated to know what was going on. I believe the evidence that came from his own testimony. And from what I've read about the case it's difficult to see how it wasn't rape. I'm very disappointed by this result.

This thread will get pulled alas, but it is some comfort to note that this individual has secured his acquittal at the price of what little dignity and reputation he had left.
What is so pitiable is that he is incapable of seeing this. But the rats in the sewer never realise they are swimming through shit, do they?

I believe her.

If stay away from Twitter if I were ye, it's fucking appalling.

Why would it be deleted? Nobody is saying anything other than their own opinion.

Whilst he has been cleared from committing a crime, I think the fact that he walked into a room where his friend was having sex, then decided to also 'have a go' -when she was in a completely vulnerable position-when he was also in a relationship, makes him a despicable human being with absolutely no right to be any sort of role model. Not even to a piece of shit.

It will get pulled because it contains defamatory statements. Little as I like it, that reflects the correct legal analysis of the current position.
I am sure nothing would give this revolting little turd greater pleasure than bringing down a site where women have the temerity to congregate and express opinions, so I think it's right for mn to protect itself.

And this has just legitimised so many people's awful views on women. It's so fucking depressing. All those awful misogynists now crowing. I think I'm gonna have to bury my head in the sand about this for a bit.

So the message is that if I choose have sex with a man on Tuesday, on Wednesday another man can lie his way into my bedroom and put his penis in me and it doesn't matter if I say yes or not.

As much as I'd love to have faith in the judicial system I think this sums up real life and will do for generations.

It's still considered worse (that is, social suicide) to be a rape victim than a rapist. Why then would anyone come forward as the former?

Seven women on that jury, I note, that took barely two hours to find the Bad Man not guilty.

I also draw comfort from the fact that the misogynists crow because they sense, rightly, that this is territory they are starting to lose.
Things are changing. We have had an activist DPP committed to the destruction of rape myths. A decade ago that language would never have made it into those circles. The cps are now explicitly disregarding such myths in making decisions about cases. Progress is slow but it is happening. This is a tragedy for the victim but in global terms merely a minor setback.

Sadly I don't think you are right Karlos. This case has overturned the idea that clear consent is needed and argued that any sex is an implied consent to all sex.

No it has not. It sets no precedent. a decision has been made on a certain set of facts and that is all.
Where damage could occur is if there is a public furore sufficient to discourage police and prosecutors from their current robust approach to cases of this type. My guess is that mr Evans is not sufficiently respectable for this to happen. To be snobbish for a moment, it is hardly a case of oxford student/respected professional wrongly accused, is it? He is, in every aspect, a member of the pond life class. I apologise for the snobbery if this judgement but few people of influence care for such as him.

I agree with merrymouse. This is the tide turning, just as we were starting to get somewhere.