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Ched Evans Cleared - I Still Believe Her

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ChampagneCommunist · 14/10/2016 14:45

Just seen this in the BBC website. His poor, poor victim

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jsAkhwari · 26/10/2016 23:53

This blog post on the case by lawyer Nicholas Diable suggests that the second jury may have come to a not guilty verdict based purely on the original evidence. He quotes an exchange between the defence lawyer and the young woman:

'Ms Khan said: “Looking at all of those actions, although you were in memory blackout, that does not mean you were unconscious, incapable of movement, incapable of making decisions?”

The woman agreed.'

The author concludes:

Taken with the expert evidence of Professor Birch that a failure in memory does not imply a failure in decision making skills, which was presumably relied upon by the Defence and the direction the jury would undoubtedly have been given by the judge as happened in the first trial. Defence Counsel certainly reminded the jury that a person can be drunk and consent several times and that she can fail to remember what happened but that does not vitiate consent if she had capacity to give it. On that basis, you may think that the jury could have reached their verdict without any reference whatsoever to the new evidence from the two former partners.

I'm not a lawyer, but if the alleged victim acknowledges that she was capable of making decisions, doesn't that destroy the prosecution argument that she was incapable of consent?

(The "expert evidence of Professor Birch" was part of the first appeal, not available at the first trial)

@Birdandsparrow the evidence is so clear he didn't have consent

Don't see how you can say that. According to Ched Evans' evidence she was asked if he could join in and answered yes, and was active participant in sex. You can choose to disbelieve the evidence of consent but you can hardly claim it isn't there.

LineyReborn · 27/10/2016 00:17

"He didn't care anyway"

I believe that too. And I'm legally entitled to believe that, without being harassed, threatened or abused by Chef Evans's supporters.

WomanWithAltitude · 27/10/2016 08:21

The prosecution weren't relying on her memory blackout. Independent witness accounts and cctv evidence regarding her level of drunkenness were more important.

According to the hotel receptionist she was glassy eyed and didn't seem to recognise he was there. He asked if she was ok and she looked right through him.

Memory blackout on its own might not be enough, but the prosecution had far more evidence than that. It's a bit disingenuous of that lawyer to pretend otherwise.

Isitadoubleentendre · 27/10/2016 11:21

The thing is though that whether she had the capacity to consent or not at the time, at the moment Evans put his penis in her he can't have known what her capacity for consent was. He couldnt have been able to assess it the circumstances that he described.

He didn't know, but he went ahead anyway.

I guess if you don't know but go ahead anyway, and a jury decides that she was consenting then you are off the hook.

Everyone always goes on about how 'unlucky' Ched Evans was. I actually think he has been incredibly lucky. Sticking his knob into women he has no idea wants it, and he gets let off rape.

Birdandsparrow · 27/10/2016 12:47

Excellent post doubleentrendre

Datun · 27/10/2016 18:28

Exactly Isitadoubleentendre

It's saying don't bother to determine consent, have a go anyway and see what happens.

Whatever you think of her wording or the witness testimony the fact is his eventual acquittal was predicated on 'fuck now, ask later'.

TrumpsFluffyHair · 30/10/2016 05:07

He is scum.

Totallymyownperson · 30/10/2016 17:14

All you guys go on the go fund me site there is a site set up to help the woman in this case I think it's less about money and more about showing her more people support her than conventional press are showing just type in ched

twofingerstoGideon · 31/10/2016 13:17

link to ched evans' victim fund here

Totallymyownperson · 02/11/2016 14:31

That ce might play for wales again it was on news this morning. Can u imagine woman x having to see him on the news all the time being treated as hero. She will now hav to go abroad. She's gonna need every penny of that go fund me money Angry

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