Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

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I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

And you got to love the vote of confidence in Owen Smith at the bottom

Taken a few days after the referendum

Now that it is known how he worked against the campaign and the fall out within the Labour Party the result will be different

But his supporters would rather have him lead the party and destroy the party that have a Labour Party in power one that will appeal to more voters by being more to the contre and having a leader with broader appeal, one who has moved on from student union politics and doesn't have questionable friends

Owen won't win we know that he is fighting a losing battle

But neither will Labour ever win a general election under Corbyn and isn't that what labour voters are wanting Labour to be in power not in opposition

And agree the Tories are good at pulling themselves together and putting on a united front. They understand that it is more important to be in power and to be able to make changes that being in opposition it's politics in action

I thought Corbyn was the bee knees when he got the leadership last year. A man of individuality and principle and what a refreshing change were my initial thoughts

Have since watched and changed my mind. He appears to operate from the premise that all the working class are victims and also that he and his followers are victims. He's both victim and savour! A very powerful and intoxicating position to be in, but I don't believe it.

There's a lot of rallying for support going on but I haven't see much real action from him as a political leader. As has been said, he appears to thrives best on being the leader of a movement, and I too see classic cult-like characteristics to this whole charade.

But neither will Labour ever win a general election under Corbyn You cant state that as fact. That is just your opinion. Until a GE has come and gone then you dont know how he will fare. Labour had a more to centre leader, and guess what, he was shite. Utterly useless. So to claim JC is unelectable when he has not been given the chance yet is ridiculous, especially whilst claiming that your better alternative choice (an alternative that no one has any confidence in) is electable whilst totally forgetting how crap your last 'suitable' candidate was.

Well we can work from the fact that in the local elections Labour did terribly

Really we should have trashed the Tories we had it handed to us on a plate tax credit cuts, doctors strikes

Tax credit cuts? That most of Labour mps voted for along with Tory mps (JC being one notable exception). Is that one of those Mps that you want as Labour leader?

This shows that of those who intend to vote Labour 54% dont want JC to resign.

It also shows that 49% of those who did vote Labour at the last GE do want him to resign.

He may be attracting new labour voters, but that is at the expense of existing ones - effectively using the existing PLP members as gambling chips.

And you don't think that many labour supporters felt that Ed was the wrong person

but he had broader appeal and to do that he had to distance himself from the unions that backed him

YellowPrimula my Dad was at school with him and said (I paraphrase) he was thick as pig shit.
I personally think he will be the leader at the next election, Labour will get routed, and he still won't stand down! He'll keep on saying he can't betray the people who elected him, the hard left will keep electing him, and this will go on until his health gives way.

What was it 50 Labour MP's

They were very unpopular with the public

Yet didn't raise the popularity of the opposition a perfect opportunity to do so missed

48 mps including jc broke the party whip and voted against. The rest looked the other way and didnt bother to vote or voted for, and by doing so allowed it to pass. And you want one of them to be in opposition? To look the other way on such massively important issues affecting the poorest in society. I dont even understand why people were so outraged at Tories for doing this, it seems perfectly in line with their politics. But for the majority of Labour to do nothing and allow it to happen, and then wonder why so many people started to turn to JC? Do they think the electorate are shit thick with poor memories?

And to point out JC wasnt leader of the LAbour party at that particular time, so hardly his fault that the unpopular cuts wasnt more effectively taken advantage of. But then it would have been hard for Harriet Harmon to harp on about cuts that she had personally instructed her MPs to look the other way on i guess.....

Labour is completely unelectable as they have shown themselves as being able to work as a team. The horrific infighting between labour MPs makes me think they are incapable of running the country whoever leads them.

If they actually started acting as an opposition party and represented their consituente then might get elected.

Yes I know he wasn't leader at the time

I know many didn't vote and many wanted it amended. Changes to the system many believe are needed

He was leader when it went through parliament and this should have raised labour's popularity

And no I don't think voters are shit thick with poor memories they have seen a year of useless leadership by Corbyn and this reflects in the polls

48 mps including jc broke the party whip and voted against. The rest looked the other way and didnt bother to vote or voted for, and by doing so allowed it to pass. And you want one of them to be in opposition?

So, how is it than in over 100 constituencies, Labour MPs who held views in line with the party whip were nominated, and elected? If most of the party and supporters disagree with the party whip , how did those MPs get their names on a ballot paper?

Of course, they probably won't be on the next one. But unless Momentum have been incredibly active behind the scenes for years, there aren't a pool of well prepared corbynite candidates ready to stand at the next election. The next tranche of Labour candidates will be poorly prepared for an election campaign, which will reduce the chance of them being elected, and ill equipped to be effective in office if they do win. Mistakes, blunders and scandals will dominate local newspapers.

Eventually, things will even out again - but if a party is going to realign itself so significantly, there will be a period when they are less successful politically. The problem is that the former MPs, and supporters, may well take advantage of that.

I have no idea. I live in Scotland and Labour got the kicking they deserved up here. Hopefully they have been kicked into the longgrass for a very long time. I assume that there is no credible alternative where Labour can put their x against.

Labour Voters

I assume that there is no credible alternative

Green?

i did say ahem credible. [green]

green?

I am not sure who I shall vote for if Corbyn is still leader maybe libdem

Labour could still have another leader by the next election

Labour could still have another leader by the next election

How do you see that coming about, enthusiasm? I admit, when I first saw the strength of the campaign against JC I assumed it would only be a matter of time before he stepped down, but that clearly isn't going to happen.
I think he will win the leadership contest this summer, as the current party membership eligible to vote doesn't reflect the views of the PLP or of those who voted labour at the last election.

How will an opening for a new leader come about, do you think?

The Boundary Commission changes come into effect in 2018; an election can be expected anytime after that (less likely to be sooner) and it's inevitable that the timing will be selected so that the Torys have the best chance of increasing their majority.

What is going to change within the party during that relative short time period that will create an opening for a new leader?

I think he will win and stay on as Labour leader and he will tank horribly. Not because he doesn't mean well but because he has been promoted beyond his abilities. There are clearly lots of people out there very keen for a more recognisably left-wing party; they deserve political representation. I don't think Corbyn is competent to deliver that and right now is mostly acting as a blank slate upon which people are projecting their desires. I think he will get 'found out' once all this intra-party navel gazing ends and he is asked to lead, represent and unify the movement and passion he has whipped up.

I am hoping people will tire of Corbyn one more year of being the useless leader of the opposition as he has already proven to be and his support may dwindle

Others could raise their profile in the meantime Keir Starmer for one

I think it's unlikely but there is still hope