Why is everyone in the public crazy about Jesus Corbyn/Corbyn Wan Kenobi?

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I mean, WTF? He has disciples (as one journalist observed).

Ive totally gone off Alec Guiness now as all JC -(even the initials!!!!) needs is a long brown cloak with a hood like a bloody Jedi master.

And hell be walking on water next!

What is it about him that has thousands signing up for Labour membership?

I WAS a Labour member but because of him Ive left .

genuine question, what influence is he having, to make him followed like a deity?

I don't get it either , regardless of whether I agreed with his policies, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.I am old enough to remember him as a local councilor in London and he was useless then too .He has never had a proper job and is not averse to nepotism employing his own son as an advisor .

He also strikes me as a bit dim frankly , he seems totally incapable of any form of critical evaluation .Despite the world moving on his views are stuck in 1980 , now some would say that shows consistency but you could also say that he is unable to adapt his principles to the modern world and just sticks to what he knows .

A PM needs to be able evaluate , assimilate and assess a vast amount of data and information, regardless of what you think about Cameron he had a first from Oxford , Theresa May also has a degree from Oxford , Gordon Brown had a PhD from Edinburgh .One of the things Oxbridge in particular gives you is the ability to process and evaluate vast amounts of information ,two 2000 word essays a week for 10 weeks at a time is a pretty good prep .Corbyn has two A levels grade E.John McDonnel on the other hand has a formidable brain and is completely manipulating Corbyn for his own ends , Corbyn seems to me a puppet for McDonnel and Momentum and the worst thing is that he's too dim to realise .

Interesting! I'm sure a lot of very bright, capable people were students at the North London Poly but back in the 60s/70s it was also a magnet for people who were more interested in student sit ins and protest marches than studying.

I know what I'm about to say says more about me than Corbyn, but nevertheless. A long time ago someone we knew was a Labour councillor in North London. He confided in us that he had heard on the grapevine that Jeremy Corbyn's son was coming up to secondary transfer age and he wanted him to go to the local school, which was in special measures. His wife wanted him to go an outer London grammar school and had threatened to divorce him if he didn't give way. We were coming up to the same stage at that time and faced similar decisions. One of the things I learned from that was that my children are far more precious to me than any political principle and I would not have sent them to a school where I thought they would be miserable and poorly educated. I'd have given up work and home educated if necessary to avoid that.

When he was elected as leader, I remembered that story and discovered to my great surprise that it is in the public domain that his wife* followed through on her threat. The son went to a grammar school and they got divorced. I suppose this means he didn't back down. Maybe it was actually a great school, just unfairly judged by Ofsted.

*second of three

Bring back David Milliband, a ruthless socialist.

Corbyn seems like a well meaning sort but he doesn't have any oomph.

Someone on Twitter summed it up when they said Corbyn is like a rocking chair. It feels nice but you're not actually getting anywhere.

Country would go bust under him,

Oh dear. As long as we keep printing money we can't go bust. At least we're not in the Euro.

He has some nice ideas but isn't competant to implement them.
He strikes me as someone who means well but is incapable of doing anything about his ideas.
Islington was a different place in the 80s and he seems stuck there.
He is also surrounded by some unpleasant characters.

' he doesn't have any oomph

No oomph? He has got too much oomph, if anything.

The man is feted wherever he goes, treated like a legend, unlike Owen Smith.

'The man is feted wherever he goes, treated like a legend'

Apart from in the House of Commons where the 172 disrespect him and are jealous of him because of his connection with the people.

Apart from in the House of Commons where the 172 disrespect him and are jealous of him because of his connection with the people.

If he had a connection with enough of "the people" then the 172 would defer to him whether or not they liked him or agreed with his principles.

He connects with some of the people. The problem is, he doesn't connect with enough of the people to be an effective party leader.

I have no idea. JC a man of principle, an anti- Semite and no management or leadership skills whatsoever. I'm absolutely certai there is a quiet coup in the making and I can't wait

'The problem is, he doesn't connect with enough of the people to be an effective party leader.'

The 172 haven't given him a chance. many of them have been undermining him from the start. If they fetched the tea instead of undermining him and let the left wing MPs do the important jobs, then Corbyn's polls would rise, but at the moment all anyone hears on the BBC is Owen Smith saying that Corbyn is a rubbish leader and he has no confidence in him. No one knows who Owen Smith is or cares, apart from the BBC, but it creates a bad impression for the people.

The 172 haven't given him a chance. many of them have been undermining him from the start.

If the leader of the party can't secure the support and respect of the PLP from the day they take office, then they are not the right person for the job.

Leader of any political party is not a job you can break into gently, with a few weeks to be "given a chance" to learn the ropes - you have to secure the respect of the people whose support you need before you take office. JC didn't do that - which makes him an ineffective leader.

Jeremy Corbyn has repeatedly undermined the Parliamentary Labour Party over the last 30 years, through Kinnock , Smith, Blair , Brown and Milliband. He voted according to " his principles" well now they are doing the same.He gave the party no loyalty so cannot expect any back.

These people work with him everyday , they are not getting their information second hand from newspapers and his PR machine .They know the reality of working with him and it's not good , many have known him for 20 years plus I think they have a better idea than some of his supporters who have never even spoken to him and know nothing of the reality of the man.

Oh dear are mp's rebelling against their party leader

Something Corbyn has done continuously

And not sure who all the people are as I know many who always vote labour and many are party members few would vote for Corbyn

And even fewer who are floating voters

Zen, maybe you dont know anyone who voted for him, but (and i assume that labour members are also labour voters) like it or not he got a fucking huge majority of the vote to become labour leader so he clearly does have the majority support (and from the polls is likely to win again). Those that are anti corbyn and fighting the democratic wish of the labour membership are causing so much damage to the Labour party. Its ironic that they are trying to blame it on Jeremy Corbyn, and by association those that voted for him. I can honestly say that the majority of my English friends (who are not labour members, only voters), all root for JC. Id actually consider coming back to Labour under JC as I agree with most of his policies, I suspect even more than the SNP. However, with the way that anti JC brigade have conducted themselves, not a chance. Cant you see that you are actually putting people off voting labour?

like it or not he got a fucking huge majority of the vote to become labour leader so he clearly does have the majority support

250,000 people voted for him in the leadership election.
9 million people voted Labour at the last general election.

His leadership win is not indicative of majority support by labour voters.

If labour voters dont want JC to be labour leader, then they need to join labour as members and vote for who they think is the best choice. Otherwise whats the point of having a vote in the first place? Who decides what the majority of labour voters support?

He can have all the " principles" he wants ( such as giving his ex Diane Abbott a job) because he will never actually have to put them into practise.
He could offer us free unicorns but if he ever gets into a position where he has to actually DO anything he's screwed, as will the country be

wibble most voters aren't interested enough in politics to join a party.

They decide how to cast their vote based on the issues at the time - and many people who have voted labour in the past are uncomfortable with voting labour with JC as leader.

JC has a broad appeal with younger voters - but they are far less likely to actually cast their vote!

many people who have voted labour in the past are uncomfortable with voting labour with JC as leader who has decided this? its not been put to the test. Lets face it, ed miliband was hailed as the best thing to sliced bread by the labour elite (as a non labour voter that was the impression i got) and he was fucking useless. I fail to see where Corbyn can be any worse. Tories won with a majority, be that 1, 12 or 50. Its a majority. Corbyn has been elected by those entitled to vote. Let him have his bash, and if things dont improve, or get worse at the next election, then he'll be booted out im sure. Maybe he will motivate people to join labour and vote accordingly. (SNP have managed to quadruple their membership since 2014). Atm anti Corbynist seem to be disenfranchising Labour members who did vote for him. Rather on focussing on why you shouldnt vote for Corbyn they should be putting all their effort into promoting why you should vote for the other person.

wibble The electorate are a fickle bunch. They won't vote for someone they don't like/support.

They won't 'let him have a bash' if they're not convinced he's the best man for the job. They will vote for someone else.

And if there's another left of centre party who they can vote for with a clear conscience, then that's what they'll do.

'Who decides what the majority of labour voters support?'

Among people who say they will vote Labour (i.e. Labour voters and supporters rather than just Labour members) Corbyn has much more support than Owen Smith and the 172.

"Jeremy Corbyn is the overwhelming favourite to win the Labour leadership contest, according to the latest Opinium/Observer poll, which shows he has more than twice the level of support among party supporters as his challenger, Owen Smith.

The online poll finds that among those who say they back Labour, 54% support Corbyn against just 22% who would prefer Smith. Some 20% say they are undecided and 4% say they do not intend to vote."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/23/labour-leadership-jeremy-corbyn-more-double-support-owen-smith

The key phrase there is:

among those who say they back Labour

A very small proportion of the electorate are willing to share how they vote. And many people who used to back labour no longer do do, (because of Corbyn) which scews the sample still further.

The bookies assessment a probably a more accurate prediction at the moment!

The electorate are a fickle bunch. They won't vote for someone they don't like/support. But you dont know the general electorate wont vote for Corbyn. No one knows until the General Election results are in. Then Corbyn will be voted as next primeminister or not. If not, someone else will be voted in as Labour leader. What makes anti corbynists so sure they can pick someone more electable than Corbyn, given the disaster that Ed Miliband was. Am i missing something? What makes Owen Smith sooooo more electable, especially given that most people havent even bloody heard of him.