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A plea to all Remainers!

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GardenBirdie · 13/07/2016 14:01

We need to revive this petition, and quickly. It will be debated, in the spotlight, by MPs on September 5 and it's our best chance - through massive numbers, even if the debate is technically a formality - to show that those of us who wanted to remain in Europe are still here, and must be heard. Since the referendum, we've been all but ignored. Please, please, share this as widely as possible. ‪#18MillionNames - The new guard need to know we have to be listened to; We CAN make a difference. ow.ly/Ya7M302csoi

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twofingerstoGideon · 13/07/2016 16:53

What does that mean?
That they're 'allowed' to ignore the non-leaders, non-business owners, non-scientists, non-academics & non-politicians?
That is, the vast majority of the country who are not any of those things?As in - the majority who voted to Leave?^

Yes, they are meant to act in the best interests of the country, not stand aside and watch it go down the pan because they had an advisory referendum. And let's face it, it wouldn't be the first time they've ignored voters' wishes. I don't understand why the 'winners' don't also wish to have Brexit thoroughly scrutinised, debated, challenged, etc., to be certain we are not doing anything irredeemable that will detrimentally affect the country.

It's like when your kid does something wrong and whines 'But Johnny told me to do it!' and you say 'Well would you run in front of a bus if Johnny told you to...?' You expect a bit of common sense to be exercised.

twofingerstoGideon · 13/07/2016 16:55

Speaking as a remain supporter, it's hard to shake the feeling that if the Remain campaign had put 1/10th the effort into their campaign as they are into this *ing petition, then the result may have been different.

It doesn't take 'effort' to start or sign a petition so that doesn't make much sense. The Remain campaign was utterly rubbish though and too little, too late.

LurkingHusband · 13/07/2016 16:57

It doesn't take 'effort' to start or sign a petition so that doesn't make much sense.

er, it makes perfect sense - as you have shown ...

The Remain campaign was utterly rubbish though and too little, too late.

WellErrr · 13/07/2016 17:07

I fully support a second referendum in which 75% of the electorate (that is full electorate, not just hose that turn up) to vote for a change

And you'll do that how?
Drag them out of their beds, house to house and force them to vote? Hmm

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GardenBirdie · 13/07/2016 17:26

No one has 'lost'. As I keep repeating, the debate hasn't even begun yet. The petition is very well worth signing, and sharing in every way possible. The debate is a formality, but it will be in the full glare of the media. WIth many signatures more than the 4m it already has, it will send a very clear sign to Parliament that they cannot ignore the views of half the population - quite possibly more by now - in any future negotiations. Now THAT is called democracy - the type we're governed by in the UK. We don't have mob rule, fortunately, and referenda are advisory. It's Parliament who make the decisions. Please sign the petition if you haven't already, and share as widely as you can. Those who don't want to, that's fine - you don't have to tell me why. Thank you! #18MillionNames @18mNames petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

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PortiaCastis · 13/07/2016 17:29

This should be in the EU topic

peachpudding · 13/07/2016 18:55

Hang on is this about the petition that was signed by bots and has since been discredited?

Brexit means Brexit.

We have a new democratically elected Prime Minister who will start the process of exiting the EU, as the majority of the United Kingdom want.

Brexit means Brexit.

lljkk · 13/07/2016 19:06

The threshold to have a debate is only about 100,000. There are at least 100,000 legit signatures (many belong to Leave voters!!)

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GardenBirdie · 13/07/2016 19:21

PeachPudding, catch up. The petition still has 4m+ verified signatures and growing. It's being debated by MPs in Parliament on September 5th.

Brexit is Brexit... Er, what does that mean, then? If you know, please can you tell the Government and the rest of us your plan? Thanks!

Please keep signing and sharing the petition, folks - Parliament need to know that over half the country are determined their voices will be taken into account. #18MillionNames @18mNames petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

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peachpudding · 13/07/2016 19:41

Brexit is Brexit means leaving the EU, why do remainers find that so hard to understand? So no more Jean-Claude Juncker, Donald Tusk, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, Mario Draghi or Martin Schulz.

Even if 4 million signatures were genuine, what does that mean? How many live in the UK? How many were over 18? How many were eligible to vote in the referendum? Its still nowhere near the 17.4 million majority of legal voters that voted to leave the EU.

There will be a debate in parliament about it and then TM can get on with implementing the will of the people.

lljkk · 13/07/2016 20:03

In 2020, Labour/Corbyn loses the election... and then what. According to Corbyn's logic, Corbyn carries on regardless. Because "the people" voted him to be Labour leader and that is that. He's a worse meglamaniac than Blair was ever accused of being.

Just5minswithDacre · 13/07/2016 20:26

And please don't even mention democracy, we now have an unelected Prime Minister.

We ALWAYS have an unelected PM Hmm

PortiaCastis · 13/07/2016 20:27

Theresa May has appointed David Davis as Brexit secretary.

Just5minswithDacre · 13/07/2016 20:27

I think we should all start campaigning for proper politics ed in schools, TBH.

Just5minswithDacre · 13/07/2016 20:30

X post.

DD is nice and steady, at least.

Perhaps they can lock Boris in the Home Office with a couple of Art History grads for distraction. That should ease things.

lljkk · 13/07/2016 20:30

Does that mean Gove will be Home Sec??

Just5minswithDacre · 13/07/2016 20:32

No one has 'lost'. As I keep repeating, the debate hasn't even begun yet.

Confused

Have you been underground? We're exiting.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 13/07/2016 20:32

"Brexit means Brexit"
sad, if predictable, to see that the addiction to meaningless soundbite has not diminished. What is this statement supposed to mean?

lljkk · 13/07/2016 20:36

Wait, Amber Rudd has home Sec.

Gove stays as 'justice' secretary? Leadsome stays as Energy Sec? Osborne gets nothing?

PortiaCastis · 13/07/2016 20:37

Amber Rudd is Home Secretary and Boris is Foreign Secretary with Liam Fox as International Trade minister. Osborns got the boot and Philip Hammond is Chancellor

twofingerstoGideon · 13/07/2016 20:50

"Brexit means Brexit".... that's as profound a statement as "It is what it is".

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GardenBirdie · 13/07/2016 21:17

WindPowerRanger, you couldn't be more wrong and clearly have no understanding of how the law or Parliament work. There is no "sleight of hand". Petitions are a legitimate form of lobbying which have existed for thousands of years. I'm not trying to bring Guy Fawkes back from the dead. The barristers' letter didn't have a single legal argument in it - it's all politics. Lord, we so need a better education system.

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Just5minswithDacre · 13/07/2016 21:19

"It's the Economy, stupid" always made me Hmm

B is B is a step up from that, at least.

And from "Are you thinking what I'm thinking?" and god knows how many more political slogans.

peachpudding · 13/07/2016 22:16

Brexit is Brexit is a concrete promise that TM will enact the will of the British people, activate Article 50 and extricate the UK from the EU. It couldn't be simpler. I suppose remainers just have their fingers in ears like the EU president Juncker .

whenwillsummercome · 13/07/2016 22:25

I don't get this! OK, we are a democracy, but what has that got to do with it?

So far in every election I've voted in, a party I do not support has won. Am I meant just to put up and shut up because 'my party' lost?? NO - of course I'm not! I continue, as vocally as I can, to support MY party, and to try to persuade the winning party that actually my party's policies are way better and are ones that they should actually be adopting.

With Brexit, I think it's pretty much the same. The party I didn't support won, and now my aim is to make as much noise as I possibly can to do all I can to encourage them to do things in (what I consider) the best way possible.

At the moment I think that TM should take a completely hard-headed approach, and say firmly that she has two red lines in her negotiations with Europe, and that until they are agreed, she will not trigger Article 50:

  • UK takes control of borders (i.e. no freedom of movement)
  • UK retains full access to the common market.

This, after all, is what Brexiteers were promised, so it makes every sense to pursue it. If she can't manage this, well, then it will probably (unfortunately) be time for another referendum, perhaps a 3 way one: stay in; leave completely (i.e. no CM access, no FOM); or negotiate a Swiss deal (access to CM, full freedom of movement, pay in roughly what we do now, no say over anything.