A plea to all Remainers!

[GardenBirdie]

We need to revive this petition, and quickly. It will be debated, in the spotlight, by MPs on September 5 and it's our best chance - through massive numbers, even if the debate is technically a formality - to show that those of us who wanted to remain in Europe are still here, and must be heard. Since the referendum, we've been all but ignored. Please, please, share this as widely as possible. ‪#18MillionNames - The new guard need to know we have to be listened to; We CAN make a difference. ow.ly/Ya7M302csoi

Pootles, we do live in a democracy - a parliamentary one. The government decided the referendum was advisory - ie, to inform parliament. It was never legally binding, nor meant to be. Brexiters are going to be very disappointed because it is absolutely impossible for the government to deliver what the liars of the Leave campaign promised. The argument hasn't even started yet. That's how it was always meant to be. Nothing is 'lost', and in this democracy, you - like 48 per cent population - still have your say. Do you really think the government is going to ignore the wishes of the vast majority of the country's leaders, businesses, scientists and academics - not to mention politicians? No, of course not. Our Brexit friends are only so aggressive because they know this.

Tbh you sound a little deranged, and that's coming from a Brexiter who voted to fuck over Keira Knightly because of what she did in Love Actually.

I think we should get you and claig together.

What Wind and Pootles said.

I was a very vocal remainer but we lost and I have to suck it up. We now have to fathom out how to make this shambles work.

I had already signed it, OP, and have totally given up on the people who think protests and petitions are undemocratic when they are in fact a fundamental feature of democracy - some people just cannot process that democracy is not defined by a referendum and the it is one small part of a much bigger picture. However, if Leavers are so confident that Brexit means Brexit, I can't understand why they get so prickly about this! At the very least, the Vote Leave campaign must be held accountable for the lies it told.

We are conducting a piece of research at the moment for a client about the emotional effects of Brexit and there are a lot of very upset people out there, some of whom, if a family member, I would be concerned about.

I have seen a real dearth of robust, practical responses to Brexit, and a quite extraordinary number of panicky, straw-grasping and rumour-perpetuating hysterics that make me greatly concerned for any children being exposed to it.

One woman told me that she'd had to give her children time off school because they were 'so petrified' at the outcome.

I feel we need to get a collective grip now, get out and walk in nature and read some good books. Find some patience and see what happens. Nobody's situation will be changing until we are past negotiations and that won't be for a very long time.

Keeping up this level of drama and stress will mess your cortisol right up.

I have seen a real dearth of robust, practical responses to Brexit,

...I presume you're talking about our esteemed government and the main lead campaigners.

Absolutely, right, Captain. One thing that's really shocked me about this whole fiasco is that we seem to live in a society now where most people don't seem to understand facts - and/or don't have the critical faculties to process them. That certainly isn't good for democracy. And why so many so-called Brexiters have been so sadly fooled, if they think 48% of the population (at least) will now go unheard. Please share the petition, if you can - there are still millions of Remain supporters who want to make sure their views don't go unnoticed in any future negotiations. Thank you! #18MillionNames @18mNames petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Signed this and am on a few very vocal and active FB groups on the subject.

Only 36% of the electorate voted for change. Under company law, you need 50% of shareholders to agree to a minor change and 75% to agree to a major one. (And yes I know company law does not apply here, but if you're not thick you'll understand the significance)

I fully support a second referendum in which 75% of the electorate (that is full electorate, not just hose that turn up) to vote for a change. And exactly what we're being asked to vote for I.e. The exact conditions of withdrawal from EU must be spelt out.

Mooing - for a 'researcher' you seem to have considerable bias. Who are you to judge someone's reaction to this shambles? If one of your participants is reporting her children feeling 'petrified', maybe that's the truth. On the other hand, maybe it's hyperbole - but any researcher worth their salt would be taking participants' words at face value. You seem keen to minimise people's genuine feelings. Maybe wander over to that thread on the EU Referendum board where people are talking about their anxiety levels and you might get some insight into why people are upset. Sheesh.

The specific petition with over 4million signatures ... has already been discredited because a huge volume of signatures were produced by an automated computer program

I must admit I wasn't aware of the computer programme involved; maybe it can be used again to garner even more signatures from Vatican City, South Georgis, North Korea, etc, etc ... ??

taking kids out of school because they were so frightened?

shocking parenting. This is a world where kids get shot trying to get to school and someone does this. How will making them miss some education help in any way?

I absolutely took it at face value. However, I think anyone who thinks it's an appropriate reaction for children to be 'petrified' by the outcome of a referendum, is concerning. Not least because they have clearly been frightened and their fears should have been dealt with accordingly.

There are no policemen with guns bashing in doors and forcing people into tanks or into boats now, are there?

Tanks? Trains! Freudian autocorrect

Fervent Remainer here. We lost. We have to get used to it and make it work. It's bad for our kids and ourselves to say aloud we're all doomed.

Lol @ "the brwin drain"

The petition will not make any difference.
But I look forward to the discussion in parliament - it should be fun!

Speaking as a remain supporter, it's hard to shake the feeling that if the Remain campaign had put 1/10th the effort into their campaign as they are into this **ing petition, then the result may have been different.

I don't think I've made doom & gloom proclamations at all.
Signing the petition is one of the few formal avenues of protest I have, though.

Do you really think the government is going to ignore the wishes of the vast majority of the country's leaders, businesses, scientists and academics - not to mention politicians?

What does that mean?

That they're 'allowed' to ignore the non-leaders, non-business owners, non-scientists, non-academics & non-politicians?

That is, the vast majority of the country who are not any of those things?
As in - the majority who voted to Leave?

However, I think anyone who thinks it's an appropriate reaction for children to be 'petrified' by the outcome of a referendum, is concerning

It's unfortunately an entirely rational reaction for those children who, directly as a result of the referendum, have found themselves the target of increased levels of racial hatred and demands that they leave immediately.

I'm getting fed up of this being seen as a "won or lost" situation like its a football match, and the remainers have backed the wrong team. We all fucking lost and now we are all gonna have to suck it up. Cheers.

Speaking as a remain supporter, it's hard to shake the feeling that if the Remain campaign had put 1/10th the effort into their campaign as they are into this ing petition, then the result may have been different.*

I'm a leaver, but agree absolutely with this.

There was a very superior & smug 'we're all right Jack, we've got this in the bag' attitude from Remain campaigners & voters prior to the referendum.

Where was the passion & resolve that we're seeing now?!

Where was the passion & resolve that we're seeing now?!

Could easily say the same applies to the Leave supporters now? Not much of a Victory Parade is it? They've all cleared off and left us to deal with the mess, almost as if they never really wanted to win