Celebrity Big Brother: is it really racist or 'just' bullying and bitchiness?

[LucyJones]

I'm really not sure where I stand. A lot of it just sems like school girl horridness

NAO, don't be ashamed to be English, thats like saying because one chinese man mugged someone, all chinese people are muggers, which as any person with more than one brain cell will tell you, they aren't.

They have obviously been told otherwise why the sudden change of heart.All the bad press and political involvement will have got them worried not to mention what will happen to them when they come out.Endemol are probably rubbing their hands together at the thought of all the extra viewers voting tonight though

Thanks tamum, noddy and mummylin. I thought there seemed to have been a change in attitude from the news reports this morning but couldn't believe that the witches' coven was clever enough to realise they've gone too far.

so is it really going to be up to the public vote? after all, what if shilpa gained more votes? that would be seen as a disaster surely?

Channel Four bosses this monring covered their ass's by saying that Shilpa herself did not think it was rascist behaviour - but Shilpa doesnt know whats being said when shes not there i.egoback to her own country and cant speak proper English.

they interviewed a load of people in the town where Shilpa is from and most of them said it wasn't racist either though. And most also said that shilpa knew exactly what she was doing and that she was "playing the game well".

You see, that's the thing about racism - and other sorts of persecution that focus on something which is integral to someone's sense of identity - it is intensly personal.

I was beside myself with anger with C4 last night. Obvioulsy they are aware of the racism in the way Jade and Danielle express thier dislike for Shilpa - they called them in specificaly to address tehb 'fucking go home' comment and the fact that Jade had referred to Shilpa as 'Fuckerwallah' 'dooberwooje' (or something - I can't remember what it was) and 'Poppadum'. They didn't show Jade actually saying 'Fuckerwallah' but quoted it back to her in the diary room. And both Jade and Danielle are aware of the racist connotations. If someone said to me "you called Aloha 'Aloha Smith / Carpet / minniewinnie' " I wouldn't immediately say "I'm not being racist" because there wouldn't be any racist comment in the silly non-accurate names I had called her. Jade knew she had used a racist way to insult Shilpa.

And then, C4 showed Shilpa saying there was no racism going on - without pointing out that Shipa has heard very few of the racist comments that have bee made behind her back.

So basically C4 have used Shipa to try and exonerate their position that 'it's not racist', and every teenager in the country who is not as on the button as Aloha's lovey step-daughter could potentially assume that to call someone 'Fuckerwallah' is not racist.

I feel sorry for Jade as an individual, I wish her no ill will and in fact wish she were better placed to get genuine help to make her a happier person. The problem is that inflated to position as 'sleb' she functions as more than an individual, and she has to go. I really really hope C4 / Endemol look after her. The shock of coming out to her life in ruins will be terrible - and it would be horrible to let her build up another empire based on 'exclusive' inerviews in the gutter press about her rows with Shilpa. Shilpa will be fine. Jade and Danielle may find everything gone.

LOL, though, at Danielle giving such a blatant demonstration of her two-facedness to the nation in the version of events she told Jade. Her family must have had their heads in their hands.

Wannabe - I also have no doubt that Shilpa made a conscious and wise (strategic) decision to not make a protest about racism. And all power to that - it is to her credit. But that doesn't excuse C4!

Blu - completely agree and you've put into words everything I've been feeling about the whole situation.

The producers had a responsibility to resolve this situation - it could have been handled so much better if a few days ago, they'd simply taken the three offending girls aside and asked them to stop using that type of language or they'd be taken out of the house.

There were a million reasons they could have used - breach of contract (there must be a clause saying they can't bring the channel into disrepute), possibility of civil action against the channel, criminal offence of racial harassment etc. etc.

The fact that there were so many parties who could have got involved: the producers, Endemol, C4, OFCOM, the police, the gov't. No one's done a thing and now it's escalated to this stupid sensationalist drama where it's the second most important bulletin on the news.

FFS - I was so wound personally in how I felt about this whole thing that I didn't realise 13 people died in the storms yesterday. It feels like the world's gone mad...

Jo; " I'm really worried about what's been said"

Jade: "Dont' worry about it, there's always a way of justifiying it."

wow, really Jools?

JoolsToo

Oh no - I'm getting all angry again...

LOL - so the poor love has basically admitted that everything she says to the media will be spin. LOL.

She's like a toddler playing hide and seek giggling from behind the curtains 'you can't seeeeee me!'

i think danielle is a two faced bitch as well.she told shilpa that she didnt think some of the things she ( shilpa ) sid to jade were very nice and also said that some of the things that jade said to shilpa were not very nice either but when she was relating to jade what she had said to shilpa she just said " i told shilpa that some of the things she said to you were not very nice " she omitted to say that she also told shilpa that jade said things wrong too ! and my dh has just ran me to say that jade is gonna get a police escort out of the house and be whisked away to a safe house for a week

Do you think Ch4 would go so far as to edit out/block sound on further inflammatory/controversial comments so that the heat will come off them to take action/pull the show? They don't need/want more fury from the public, the politicians, OFCOM, advertisers, etc.

I think the girls have been told of the uproar over the comments/behaviour. I think it is the only reason Jade apologised to Shilpa....I'm sure it wasn't a sudden attack of conscience.

from DSpy

DEFINATLEY[sic] no crowds tonight!!

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I've got tickets and just phoned to confirm the eviction was going ahead and they've booked me in for next week instead as there's no audience tonight!!!!

Feel SO let down by BB

otoh - this person phoned C4 not the other way around. will they have legions of people turning up anyway.

what a shame it wasn't this week hunker was going!

No, you're joking JT!. I suppose maybe a really funereal atmosphere might bring it home to her, but what a cop-out.

Yes thats true -coming out without an audience might serve her right. We dont want to draw attention to such idiots.

I hope there's no smarmy interview afterwards, either.

She's already spoken out.

As a two-faced, mean, bullying, ignorant, loud, obnoxious, bellicose, ugly-hearted psycho bitch.

hi so there's no crowds to boo or anything? what about her interview ( iam assuming it will be jade that goes?)

i coldn't believe danielle last night when she said to shilpa that she didn't want her to feel that she couldn't talk to her and sort of apologised, but then when jade came into the room she stoppedtalking to her and started sniggering with jade, and then after shilpa left the room she left out the part about saying to shilpa that jade shouldn't have said some ofthe things she had siad to her - how two faced did she not watch grace a couple of months ago?

So will they tell her that the reason she has no audience is because she would have been lynched?

Did you know that Jade has the same agent as Davina? No doubt Davina will be giving her a hard time tonight.

People like Jade always seem to get let off the hook for their appalling behaviour!She will be whisked away to some luxury hotel and paid more money for her 'story'while being waited on hand and foot.She should face the public after all if she is the 17th most influential person in teh world she has nothing to worry about!