UK woman convicted of abortion

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Full story here www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-given-suspended-sentence-for-having-abortion-in-the-uk-a6968676.html

Very sad. Is there a will in NI to update legislation on this issue? As it stands everyone loses

Signed

Amnesty International Petition
www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/northern-ireland-abortion-not-crime?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Mass&utm_campaign=My%20Body%20My%20Rights%20campaign&utm_content=Link1

I think that its hypocritical of the pro-life viewpoint to say "All life is sacred" and then refuse to adopt or support those who are already born and are unwanted. Why is that a life only matters when its not born, but doesn't when it is?

Absolutely kpo - all life is sacred until it's been born. Then it's a scrounger and a drain on taxpayers!

I have been a bit afraid of googling images of a 10 week foetus

Not sure why, maybe not wanting to see something that might upset me, dunno

I have looked now and there isno way on gods green earth that you would be able to find the foetus without a forensic search and you wouldnt be able to tell the sex either

I am happy to agree that the other women may have been traumatised but they grassed that poor devil up because they wanted her punished

They could have reported to a doctor or hospital and they could have disposed of the remains in a dignified manner if they wanted to

And just as an aside, i lost a baby at 12 weeks, it was disposed of in clinical waste and nobody gave a shiny shit about it. If it had been that important to anyone but me they would have run whatever tests they could to see why it happened so i wouldnt lose another one. In the uk you have to have 3 miscarriages (my understanding) before they look into why. The hospital i was at did have a book of remembrance in the chapel which was lovely

petition here for NI: www.change.org/p/northern-ireland-assembly-legalise-abortion-in-northern-ireland

Signed that one too!

Hmmm, good way of making sure we never have to face any uncomfortable truths illuminated by WW2, arguably one of the most important learning opportunities for some badly needed moral development. What's that they say about those who don't learn history?

With respect, rufus, no one gave a toss about my miscarriage (twins) either but being in a hospital, the responsibility was someone else's. And no crime had taken place.

I don't think waiting a week before going to the police says anything damning - if anything, it says they were thinking hard about what to do. It wasn't a careless act of malice whatever else it may have been.

The wanting to save a life comment, it you read the thread, related to the ways that the girls tried to support their flatmate in the weeks prior to the abortion. Posters were assuming this 'support' was nothing more than self-interested manipulation. I was suggesting something else may have been the driving force; the desire to save a life.

gone the flat mates issues were " she wasn't remorseful, she didn't seem to be upset"
So if she had been hysterical begging for forgiveness they may not have called the police.
They were punishing this woman. Traumatised my arse.
"They were thinking hard about what to do"
If they felt so strongly about what had happened they would not have waited a week and before reporting.

Gone the flatmate have admitted they did it because she wasn't remorseful enough. Nasty sneaky fuckers just wanted to punish her.
Like most forced birthers it's about punishment of women.

I've seen it on threads on here where posters who profess to be pro choice are faced with people who don't regret or feel sad about abortion and they change there tune.
Suddenly the woman who had an abortion is bad. All because she is not wailing and crying.
I have seen posters say they are uncomfortable seeing woman write that they have no regrets, and these are supposed pro choicers!

Gone,
I would like to offer my thanks to you for attempting to offer an alternative view of this situation. However, it is obvious from the personal hatred spewed towards you that pro- abortionists are unable to accept that anyone else may genuinely feel a duty of care towards the developing human. There seems to be a new fascism in today's society.
I would like to point out that English people have no right to dictate French law, in the same way, neither do they have any right to dictate Northern Irish law. We are autonomous in that respect and are perfectly capable of deciding our own values ( you all seem au fait with that concept).
To those calling for care for the living children and decrying any connection between religion and healthcare I would just point out that actually that in this country most charity and practical support for the least advantaged in society comes from those with a Faith base and that most hospitals were initially conceptualised, built,staffed and run by people precisely because they did have a religious Faith.
The girl in question did abort her pregnancy when she was nineteen, but now at 21 already has another baby.
This post may seem unsympathetic towards her, which I am not, but having read through the foul-mouthed vitriol directed towards those who she involved against their will I have to take their side.
In a general sense, if someone's morality is based on a view that all life is sacred then they are duty bound to act in accordance with that. You wouldn't excoriate someone for standing up for females in a Society where others considered females to be of less value. Likewise, you can't logically vilify pro-life people for standing up for the unborn and not saying, "It's none of my business." According to their moral compass it IS their business, in the same way as many Religious have made it their buisnness to feed the poor or nurse the sick.
No-one can make someone think of a foetus as a baby, but likewise, no-one can make someone else stop thinking of Life as a continuum which begins at conception and ends at death. Forcing people to think as you do is Fascism.
If I had to choose to live in a world filled only by people spouting the vitriol on this thread or a world filled with Gonetosee and the flat mates I know which I would choose - but I can't choose; that's Life I guess.

vintage Vitriol really? These flat mates waited a week before they called the police and then lied saying they could see a 10 week old feotus genitals.. absolute lies..

Yep you can't trust a word they say when they have come out with that bollocks.

So if these flatmates were all lovely moral people who were only concerned about the life of the foetus...

can anyone explain why they didn't call an ambulance or a doctor when the teenager was miscarrying but instead waited for a week before calling the police to have a look at the bin??

With moral warriors with that level of initiative and bravery the war has a long way to go.

Laughing at vintagemum saying the UK has no right to dictate NI law. Have you experienced the last 50 years of history in the north? They didn't actually want to be independent- they wanted - quite vehemently - to be part of the UK.

Has anyone else thought "let he who is without sin throw the first stone" about the flatmates when reading this story and this thread?

Obviously they were evil people just waiting for a pregnant 19year old to come share their flat so that she would induce an abortion and they could get some weird kick out of then asking Police for advice about the foetus in their bin. Whose kidding themselves here?
Yes, read through the posts and count all the "fuckers", "liars", "bitches" etc. etc. That is vitriol; it is practically leaking out of the screen. They have been demonised by people who have never met them, who have some need to scapegoat all the evils of the world onto them.
I have seldom read a thread where such hatred and obscenity has been allowed to be heaped on two individuals who have essentially done nothing wrong; were I to comment on Muslims or Black people in general, or in particular, in such terms my posts would be censored but it seems that these two females and their inner motives can be denigrated in the foulest ways, and that's alright - because anybody who has a problem with a dead foetus in their bin is a "fucking, lying, baby stealing bitch", don't ya know?
A lot of these posters would be advised to work out the real source of their anger and direct it accordingly.

Canyouforgiveher
Your take on Irish and Northern Irish history is laughable; and, to re-iterate, the U.K. Parliament has no jurisdiction over devolved affairs. That is fact. It was also fact during the era of the Stormont Government I.e. 1922 or thereabouts upto its dissolution in the 1970's. You don't seem aware of N. Ireland's constitutional status.
I fully agree with "Let he who is without sin......" Perhaps some of those who have already cast stones at the two people concerned might care to pick them up again and slink off.

no idea what that last post is about vintage mum. lots of anger certainly - against all sorts of people.

you never answered my question which is if these flatmates were so concerned about the life of the foetus, then why did they not call the police earlier - like when their flatmate told them she was buying the pills, or when she started miscarrying. Why wait so long?

the flatmates here made a decision to call the police. They have to bear the consequences of a bit of comment in the public arena just as their flatmate has to bear the consequence of a criminal conviction for the rest of her life. We all know which one is worse.

You might want to take the advice you gave yourself in your last sentence. A lot of these posters would be advised to work out the real source of their anger and direct it accordingly.

So would a lot of men who so resent women controlling their own fertility.

Your take on Irish and Northern Irish history is laughable;

not really. I understand it completely. it is

1. We are BRITISH.

2, Ulster says NO

1. We are a completely separate devolved something or another because we don't want women to have the same rights they have in the rest of the UK because the lying whoring bitches can't be trusted not to kill their babies.

I really do understand you very well vintagemum

fully agree with "Let he who is without sin......" Perhaps some of those who have already cast stones at the two people concerned might care to pick them up again and slink off.

And if this is all you can take from this situation... I honestly think you should try another religion because true Christianity really isn't for you.

and since I am wasting so much time on this

yet again .... do you have any explanation why these heroic virtuous women let a woman abort in their house and only called the police 8 days later????

Canyouforgiveher
You seem unable to read without adding things which aren't there.
As I am unsure to which of my posts you are referring I will try and cover all bases with you.
The flat mates have been subjected to vitriol in many of these posts. Motives have been assumed and ascribed to them. They have been called the obscenities which I listed. All of this has been done by people who have never met them and do not know them. None of these statements can be ascribed to anger on my part.
My introductory paragraph was sarcasm designed to highlight the ridiculousness of the demonisation of these females, an accepted literary device - so no anger there.
The comparison with non-allowance of such abuse being tolerated if directed towards other individuals or groups is entirely valid - no reason to deduce anger there.
The use of the descriptors "fucking, lying, baby stealing bitch" is a paraphrasing of the abusive words used by posters on this thread towards these ladies - no anger from me there.
I find your description of the name calling and obscenities on this post euphemistic in the extreme, "a bit of comment in the public arena".
To be perfectly blunt they actually don't have any obligation to give you an explanation as to why they sought advice from police on something illegal which had taken place on their property.
You may disagree that it should be illegal but that is a different matter, and one over which you have no say - unless you are a Northern Irish citizen ( which seems more than a little unlikely given your ignorance of jurisdiction/politics ).
I am happy to stand up when I come across people being bullied.

Canyouforgiveher
"We are British. Ulster says no. We are separate because............ LYING WHORING BITCHES NOT TO KILL THEIR BABIES"

You have just demonstrated that you understand less than nothing about N. Ireland. It doesn't augur well for a capacity to grasp that the two ladies might have had a different perspective on the situation in which they found themselves than you might have had.
Goodnight. I have made an assessment that further communication with yourself on this matter is not worth the energy which would need to be expended.

Just read the article and shocked that it states that they actually called the police because of the attitude of the women.

Who are the flatmates to sit and judge her? Judge her attitude? How utterly ridiculous. I'm
Not surprised they are being harassed online, it's just deserts.

Religious people can often be the most judgmental I've found. They should be accepting, caring and non judgemental but my experience is the opposite.

Disgusting.

I am wondering at the hypocrisy of people arguing that prostitution should be de-criminalised and accepted, because women have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, and yet the opposite is argued when it comes to abortion. Even to get a legal one you must get the consent of two doctors.