It seems someone in Germany has woken up and smelled the coffee

[ProfessorPreciseaBug]

This from Reuters..

www.spiegel.de/international/europe/following-the-path-of-the-paris-terror-weapons-a-1083461.html#ref=nl-international

Germany is proposing to demand that refugees integrate into German life or loose rights of residency.. It appears to include learning Grman and not treating women as second class...If only some of our politicians would do likewise.

"Islamists are targeting refugees and MIGRANTS, and crime is soaring "as well as " far right groups attacking migrants."
Absolutely, the German Verfassungsschutz (interior affairs) is very concerned about radical Islamists targeting refugees in German shelters.

this is becoming more and more common for all female citizens in Germany.

peppered with a heavy dose of scaremongering

But talking about the Far Right isnt scare mongering?

I never make generalisations if I know my subject well. You wouldn't want me to dilute information that others may want to know about, surely?

What on earth is Christendom? I find this kind of talk dangerous. It reminds me of how the Serbs used Orthodox Christianity to claim the Bosnian Muslims were a threat.

"Christendom" = Christianity.

"I find this kind of talk dangerous. It reminds me of how the Serbs used Orthodox Christianity to claim the Bosnian Muslims were a threat."

I disagree and find it astonishing that in a political and social climate where Muslims kill and decapitate Christians, not the other way round, you are worried about the safety of Muslims. Why? Are Christians or Europeans in general killing Muslims en masse, systematically as they do In Pakistan, Jemen, Syria, Irak?

I am also quite astonished Scan that whilst expressing your concern regarding the word 'Christianity' which apparently reminds you of ethnic cleansing in Bosnia you have failed to comment on the extensive reporting of sexual harassment this woman has experienced. Does this not worry you?

Note how the young boys in the video have no manners whatsoever They repeatedly disrupt the elderly woman whilst she is being interviewed by a reporter, the boys show no respect whatsoever, very naughty and without boundaries. This woman did not generalise about refugees but reported about her personal experiences. Can you imagine a young MENA man saying "you wanna fuck fuck me"? "You hot, wanna fuck". to this woman?Appalling.

'Muslims kill and decapitate Christians'

I think it is more accurate to say that Islamist and Isis kills Christians, otherwise you attribute responsibility to millions of innocent people. These groups also kill Muslims.

In the current political climate, a myth of 'Christian' Europe, threatened by an invading Muslims force is very dangerous and is being exploited once again by far right and nationalist groups as similar sentiments were during the Bosnian war with disastrous consequences. It wasn't so long ago that genocide happened during that war, so yes, I do worry about Muslims.

The sexual harrassment she reports is worrying. However, I fail to see the relevance of the ethnic identity of the men she mentions. Suggesting the men are refugees or Muslims seems like guesswork on her part.

The youths come across as a bit cheeky but not offensive and eager to counteract the negative myths the old lady is trying to spread.

and the old lady stated that Islam is incompatible with 'Christendom', which is a huge generalisation about Muslims

"I think it is more accurate to say that Islamist and Isis kills Christians, otherwise you attribute responsibility to millions of innocent people. These groups also kill Muslims.

In the current political climate, a myth of 'Christian' Europe, threatened by an invading Muslims force is very dangerous and is being exploited once again by far right and nationalist groups as similar sentiments were during the Bosnian war with disastrous consequences. It wasn't so long ago that genocide happened during that war, so yes, I do worry about Muslims."

Yes, if you put it like this, I agree with you Scan, thank you for explaining what you mean .

The boys in this video also highlight the problem of lack of education. They boy who was disrupting the woman all the time was very inarticulate, had no idea that Muslims are persecuting Christians. He did not want to acknowledge that some refugees act badly and are antisocial.

All he could say (though nobody actually had asked him his opinion, he just chose to intrude) was that the old woman was wrong and that she had insulted Islam. However what I really see in him is a boy in need of good parenting, good education and opportunities. Yes, he was naughty and disrespectful but he was just a young boy who, given the right support would probably be a good guy. I am ever so doubtful he will get the chances in Germany. More likely he will end up led by the wring kind, be that radical islamists, or criminals. I feel sorry for him, he seems vulnerable but so does the elderly woman in the vide .

it's Christentum

you are worried about the safety of Muslims. Why?

because Scandip is Muslim perhaps? Or is married to a Muslim?

We naturally tend to worry about our own kin in that way...its natural.

When I was being brought up Catholic I also felt slighty tribal, slightly part of a club

I suppose I feel the same now, except the club I want to be part of is liberal, and has equality for men and women etc etc etc.

a myth of 'Christian' Europe, threatened by an invading Muslims force is very dangerous and is being exploited once again by far right and nationalist groups

this is all coming from ISIS, this is what they want, they want us to see the world as us and them, Muslim and non muslim but OBV their own brand of Islam ( Saudis Islam)

It wasn't so long ago that genocide happened during that war, so yes, I do worry about Muslims

More recent genocide is of the Yadzi by the Muslims/Isis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL ie its people who believe in a branch of the "Muslim"( Salafi-Jihadist Sunni ) faith who are perpetrating genocide not the other way round.

RIGHT NOW, Christians are fearing the worst in Raqqa :

www.christianpost.com/news/isis-holds-last-remaining-christian-families-under-house-arrest-so-they-cant-escape-raqqa-160599/

The Islamic State is reportedly preventing remaining Christian families in the group's Syrian stronghold of Raqqa from leaving the city, as fears grow that the terror group is planning to kill the remaining Christians in the town.
Read more at www.christianpost.com/news/isis-holds-last-remaining-christian-families-under-house-arrest-so-they-cant-escape-raqqa-160599/#u7FkO4i23lbYaRL5.99

43 families each consisting of 2 - 3 people are fearing for their lives.

Raqqa is currently being held by ISIS and until recently was there HQ. ISIS is a pure ( so called) form of Islam, where the followers believe they are living like the Phrophet.

Do you think there is a problem in German society? Their legislation for what is a sex crime seems very inadequate. I read that many of the instances of assault in the Cologne attacks would not be recognised as 'crimes'. Why is this kind of behaviour not addressed more harshly there? Why is sexual assault not tackled more harshly?

I think groups of young people are seen as antisocial just by being in a group and being outdoors! I didn't find the young man particularly disrespectful, especially considering what she was saying,whic seemed to amount to people like him having no place in Germany. They were quite reasonable, tryingto put across that people are people etc while she seemed to want to blame all Muslims for Christians being beheaded. They did get silly toward the end, but that was probably because the reporter didn't seem so interested in what they had to say.

I feel sorry for them both too.

There was a program recently by Reggie Yates about gay men in the UK. He interviewed a young gay Muslim man who said that he'd been brought up in a culture that thought that it was perfectly ok to murder a man because he was gay. How is this possible in 21st century Britain? The young man was ostracised from his family as a result.

I feel there is a conflict between British values of tolerance, diversity, respect etc and certain religious cultures that are dogmatic in their views about women, gay people etc. There is an inherent contradiction between the values of tolerance and tolerating views that are abhorrent to ' British values'. I don't know how we can reconcile the two?

Gobbolino, Isis seem to be after everyone though, Christians and Muslims alike. I agree, an us and them narrative does suit them. The anti Muslim and anti refugee rhetoric flying about seems to fall in their favour as they hate the people running away from them.

I don't feel tribal about Muslims. I just don't believe that they are a danger. I don't believe refugees are either. I see the possibility of history repeating itself horribly.
and I don't think it is strange to be concerned by that.

I agree that equality for men and women is a good thing. I think to achieve that the focus can be on cultural differences but must also be on legislation, policing, wider social norms.

The anti Muslim and anti refugee rhetoric flying about

I must point out that there is a difference between anti muslim comments and comments about ISIS AND Muslims who believe in the Saudi Whabbism form of the religion. Islam has many different faces and indeed like the poor shop keeper who we saw murdered recently, follows many different paths.
Some strains of the religion are terrifying, did you see the under cover documentary on Saudi Arabia? Small children are learning from text books to hate jews and decapitate Christians. People are locked up for speaking out against the state and any form of free speech has been eradicated.

I would err on the side of caution therefore making - sweeping generalisations like - " the anti muslim rhetoric".

There is a specific strain of the religion most people are talking about.

I don't feel tribal about Muslims. I just don't believe that they are a danger

I thought you may be a Muslim sorry!

I think to achieve that the focus can be on cultural differences but must also be on legislation, policing, wider social norms

Police are failing women from certain communities in the UK, police are either too sensitive to delve deeper into the situation or they don't understand the intricacies of whats going on.

I agree we certainly need to make it clear to EVERYONE, FGM is illegal, its child abuse, arranged marriages are kidnap and rape if under 16, honour killings are murder without exception.

For too long it seems some communities have existed in a parallel legal world because of cultural sensitives and ignorance. Women often sent back to the very people who are threatening them. It has to stop.

That is the whole point, there must be NO tiptoeing around the issue, there must be NO concessions to cultural mores which go against our laws. Furthermore prosecutions must be carried out. How many successful prosecutions have there been for FGM in the UK? Forced marriage? There are laws in place yet they are being roundly ignored and no one is enforcing them, for fear of causing offence. This cannot be allowed to go on.

"I just don't believe that they are a danger."

They as in all Muslims are not a danger. Political Islam, however, which is rapidly becoming the loudest and most powerful version of globalist Islam, seems to present a threat to people as it is a fascist doctrine seeking to destroy all that does not comply with its rules.

According to cultural relativists everything is socially constructed therefore there is no Islam as such only what people make of it. The shopkeeper who was killed in Glasgow for wishing Christians Happy Easter was a beautiful Muslim man with a beautiful soul. His 'version' of islam is not recognised by Sunnies though.

"I see the possibility of history repeating itself horribly."
We live in troubling times but not all is as it seems. Let's not compare the migrant situation with the situation of Jews in Europe. The Jewish people were settled in Europe for centuries contributing to society, living their culture whilst adhering to the laws of host countries before the holocaust happened. They were not terrorists killing thousands of innocent people spreading an aggressive version of their religion as Islamist terrorists do. As a religious and ethnic group they were not aggressors. Also there have been various other genocides over the last few centuries, not all conducted by Europeans. This is not to make light of the Holocaust only to say that painting Europeans as nasty mean WASP types is not appropriate.

Scandip - are you suggesting German women raped by gangs of mena men are being failed by lack of transparent sex law rather than at the literal hands of rapists? Oh dear.

'The youths come across as a bit cheeky but not offensive and eager to counteract the negative myths the old lady is trying to spread.'

Cheeky??

Scandip - I can't tell you how disappointed I am with MNHQ.

Are you suggesting they're not failed by law that is not sufficient to bring prosecution against a lot of types of sexual assault?

This thread is about Germany having woken up and realised what it means to have a large number of people very quickly in their midst from areas of the world where women are treated appallingly, have few rights and are beaten and sexually attacked without consequences being visited on the man; in fact, it's usually the woman who gets blamed for having been attacked.

That said, I find it totally insensitive of OP to ignore the elephant in the room and show concern about something else. If the Far Right is active then it can only be in reaction to the arrival of a large number of people, most of them hostile to the West. If you think what passes for the Far Right as seen on TV is extreme, then you have absolutely no idea of how beyond Far Right the appalling beliefs and activities of some of the immigrants are.

Unfortunately, whenever these issues are discussed there is a small but persistent group of people who are apologists and minimisers for the actions of the perpetrators.

'Unfortunately, whenever these issues are discussed there is a small but persistent group of people who are apologists and minimisers for the actions of the perpetrators.'

Yes, persistent since January.

Widow. Do you want rape counselling and prosecution for your rapist, or do you not want to be raped? Simple question.