is it really possible that Donald trump could be president????? [Part 2]

[claig]

From now on the race becomes winner take all. If Trump wins Florida on March 15, it is probably all over.

'The Republican Party now has 14 days to stop Trump'

www.vox.com/2016/3/2/11144812/super-tuesday-results-donald-trump-wins

Anonymous is a left wing group and at the real top leves is funded by the same oligarchs who fund Occupy Wall Street, MoveOn and all the rest of the left wing organisations.

Pray tell more. Surely there is evidence for that. Other than your opinion.

I can't believe that I have come to see the day when the left is called Establishment (other than communist/socialist countries).

I suppose it's the same type of Establishment left wing oligarchs like these, who fund research and development? Or these.
The bastards.

Unlike this "man of the people" with his meagre donations, and who "In the aftermath of national tragedies like September 11 and Hurricane Katrina–when public figures worth a fraction of [this person] were donating seven figures to relief organizations–the billionaire apparently misplaced his checkbook somewhere in his triplex atop [his] Tower."

Anonymous is a bunch of (mostly) young people with basically libertarian/ anarchist tendencies. They have more in common with the libertarians in the republican party (minus the closet racism) than with big government democrats.

Honestly claig why make random assertions that are plainly just wrong? What's the point?

'I have come to see the day when the left is called Establishment (other than communist/socialist countries)'

There is no left and right, they are the same, all in it together, which is why our much loved Tony Blair was often referred to as Tory Blair by real left wingers. At the top of the power structure, they are both part of the same system, which is why Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush and nearly every other politician push the same global free trade agenda. Trump says they are all "puppets", all "bought and paid for" by Wall Street.

Bernie is opposed to the same free trade deals that Trump is opposed to, but Bernie is very unlikely to win and Trump is in with a real chance which has caused anxiety among much loved philanthropists like Tony Blair and the EU political class and every political class on the planet.

But surely even someone as (frankly) deluded as you can see that anonymous are far more anti-establishment than Trump, even if the interests of the establishment and anonymous very occasionally intersect?

There is no left and right, they are the same, all in it together, which is why our much loved Tony Blair was often referred to as Tory Blair by real left wingers.

Call it nit picking if you like, but if left and right are all the same and there is no left or right, what do you mean by "real left wingers"?

'deluded as you can see that anonymous are far more anti-establishment than Trump'

Of course they are, but they have declared 'total war' on Trump in an attempt to subvert the democratic process in the United States.

How long do you think they would be able to get away with these type of threats to a democratic presidential candidate, and how long do you think that left wing organisations like MoveOn would be able to get away with threats that they have put Trump "on notice" if the Sheriff on Sean Hannity's show was put in charge of stopping them subverting the democratic process in a free country?

Why doesn't the Establishment stop these threats to free speech and free political assembly in the democratic process that is the election of the President of the United States?

If Trump does win, my guess is that they will be quickly stopped because Trump will go after the people who fund them and the Sheriff may even be in charge of it.

'Call it nit picking if you like, but if left and right are all the same and there is no left or right, what do you mean by "real left wingers"?'

That is not nit picking. There are real good left wingers - Corbyn, Bernie Sanders and millions and millions of their voters and workers and unions etc. But at the top of the power structure of who is allowed to govern, nearly all of the political class works for the same ends under the same philosophy which is why politicians like Corbyn and Bernie and Trump are such a threat to the political class as they are real outsiders who will change how things are run.

Oh, dear, what does this Sheriff on whatever show got to do with anything?

Why doesn't the Establishment stop these threats to free speech and free political assembly in the democratic process that is the election of the President of the United States?

Maybe you mean the FBI? Maybe it's not that easy?

If Trump does win, my guess is that they will be quickly stopped because Trump will go after the people who fund them and the Sheriff may even be in charge of it.
Who actually funds them?

I'm sure the establishment would love to stop Anonymous. It's rare that their interests coïncide, and in any case I would like to believe that even most Trump-haters would prefer him to be defeated via the democratic process than by a bunch of crackpot coders with no respect for the rule of law.

Are you pro unions now then Claig

I think you'll find that Donnie doesn't agree with you on that score.

Watch what happens in the United States and watch for that Sheriff. If Trump wins, my guess is it will be people like him who will quickly end the threats of hacktivists and he will find out who was funding them?

'Are you pro unions now then Claig '

Absolutely, I used to be a member of one. They protect workers' rights, stand up for them in cases of unfair dismissal and guarantee health and safety at work. I like Corbyn, I like Bernie and I also like Trump.

'I think you'll find that Donnie doesn't agree with you on that score.'

I don't agree with him on everything.

That is not nit picking.
I meant on my part... not yours...

But anyway, you can't say that there is no left and then say there is.

True that so far there have been parties and people in power that are mostly centre, with policies that make it difficult to distinguish one from the other at times (I have mentioned this in an earlier post), and criticised by both sides of the spectrum.
But you can't say that there is no left or right.

And to be honest, I'd rather muddle along the centre than having very conflicting and opposing views fighting each other to economic ruin.

Trump has mentioned the Sheriff in a few of his talks (can you tell I'm on reduced hours at the moment? )

Surely stopping protest organisations is anti-democratic? The right to peaceful protest is enshrined in the first amendment.

nice little discussion on article 11

I'm sure the establishment would love to stop Anonymous.

The question is which establishment.
Is that the left wing, or the right wing, or the centre bi-wing establishment?
Is that the oil or the human-made climate change establishment?

Let's hope it doesn't come to this, though.

This is from Republican Presidential candidate, Bobby Jindal, who had to drop out of the race of 17 candidates early because he did not get enough popular support.

"Jindal: Trump is a madman who must be stopped
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And even if he were somehow to win, we have no idea how he would govern.

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a Donald Trump. I love the idea of an outsider who doesn't care about political correctness and who says things you're not supposed to. Unfortunately, Donald Trump is the wrong messenger. From the moment he announced his candidacy, everybody knew that, but nobody had the backbone to say it."

edition.cnn.com/2015/09/15/opinions/jindal-debate-donald-trump/

Only people who do what they are told are allowed to win.

"we have no idea how he would govern"

that is why they want to stop him because he hasn't passed his policies by them and he will end the free tarde deals and bring jobs back to America.

What we are witnessing in America is who is really in charge? Is it the people who choose who will govern them or is it the Esatblishment who decide? It is about the meaning of democracy and the will of the people.

lweji! It does rather feel like that at the moment!

Yes, but which establishment? It seems that there are many different establishments going around...

'Yes, but which establishment? It seems that there are many different establishments going around...'

I don't know exactly how it works. there are different competing forces of billionaires and oligarchs. The Establishment is not set in stone, it changes over time as power changes, the Establishment is only the forces that are currently more powerful at any point in time than their competitors.

Trump is competing to overthrow them, he is outnumbered and overpowered by them but he is giving it all he has got on the campaign trail and using the people to turn out and vote which will end up busting up the current Establishment.

As Robert Reich, Bill Clinton's former Labor Secretary, wrote

"the establishment is dying"

it is being challenged by Bernie and Trump, but it is using Mitt Romney and all its servants to try and stop itself losing power.

The next round in this struggle for democracy and freedom is tonight. Tune in to find out if Trump beats them and gains the upper hand.

"WATCH: GOP Establishment Elites Discuss How to Stop Trump — ‘All He Has Going for Him Is a Lot of Votes’

At a private luncheon in Washington, DC, a group of GOP establishment figures gathered to lament the rise of Donald Trump and discuss what can be done to defeat him."

www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/13/the-circus-gop-establishment-figures-discuss-how-to-stop-trump/

Could it be fair to say that Trump would become establishment and then we should support Hillary for being anti-establishment?

'Could it be fair to say that Trump would become establishment and then we should support Hillary for being anti-establishment?'

Yes, if Trump wins, the whole world will change and the current establishments across the world will have to adapt and fall in line with Trump (which is why our much loved philanthropists like Blair are "anxious"), so Trump will have won.

Then it depends if you prefer Trump (end of free trade deals, freedom of speech, end of political correctness, end of globalism, no more wars in the Middle East or WW111, jobs brought back to America and saving the middle class) or Hillary who in many ways represents the opposite.

But the whole drive seems to be that he is anti-establishment, rather than you agreeing with most of his positions
So, would you wholeheartedly support an anti-Trump, then?

And if Presidents can't be that free, how will Trump make everyone else fall in line with him?
How will he deal with free organisations? Congress? Wealthy businesspeople?
Will he have to curb freedoms?