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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:49

The jihadists breed under dictatorships. Otherwise peaceful people are swayed to fight when finally given some freedom.
They are going through the same processes that the US and European countries went when going through to democracy. It's not an easy or necessarily peaceful path.

Countries that effectively have helped maintain dictators are also blamed.

Supporting democracy and freedom in other countries is not about good will (only). It's about leading to peace in the end. Because all countries affect each other.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:50

I think you think Trump is the 2nd coming! I thought Congress declares war anyway not the President?

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:51

I'd guess that Trump would have been against the founding fathers. Who were they to rock the boat against England when it was all going so well.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:53

'The post-mortem era of prosperity was due to all competition (UK, Japan, Germany) recovering from WW2.'

No because don't forget it was the US that saved all of these countries with the Marshall Plan. They were all broke and ruined. It was US money that regenerated them and US troops that provided protection for them.

'Once they were back on their feet the US was under pressure.'

The globalist began to ship jobs out of America as they built up the third world.

'Now China is the biggest manufacturer in the World'

As Trump says, what happened in China is the "biggest theft in the world" where the US built China with factories relocating there for cheaper labour and for allowing the huge trade deficits which then occurred.

'How will the US get back to no 1 when it is the world's biggest debtor nation?'

Because the world is going to have to come to a deal to help America out of this or America will eventually collapse and that may lead to a huge war. A deal has to be done and Trump wrote "The Art of the Deal", he can pull it off, whereas the globalists are just increasing America's deficit every year.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:56

'I'd guess that Trump would have been against the founding fathers. Who were they to rock the boat against England when it was all going so well.'

No because the Founding Fathers were anti-establishment, anti rule by a king from abroad. Trump is a US patriot who will "make America great again". Mexico and China and other countries come second for him.

Vincente keeps swearing that he will not pay that Wall, but he has never come up against someone like Trump - he is not a Blairite.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:58

But they were like jihadists.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:59

'The jihadists breed under dictatorships'

No they don't which is why Saddam had no terrorists, as Trump said "Saddam killed terrorists for fun".

The Jihadi terrorists are all funded and sponsored by outside countries. Trump knows who they are. We will have to see what he does about it.

claig · 27/02/2016 21:01

'But they were like jihadists'

No it was the American War of Independence against tyrannical rule from abroad. The Jihaids are all funded and sponsored agents of change under the control of external forces. It is totally different.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 21:06

Yep the Marshall Plan saved America's collective backside otherwise it would not have had consumers to buy their products. It was self-serving not selfless.

claig · 27/02/2016 21:10

'It was self-serving not selfless.'

Everything is self-serving but it also helped those countries who without American loans would have never recovered. Deals are self-serving but also help the other party. Trump is the king of the deal. He will make deals that serve US interests but also offer benefits for the other party. That is what the world needs in order to grow economically in harmony and peace.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 21:19

He has also been bankrupted three times.

claig · 27/02/2016 21:23

Some of his companies were taken into bankruptcy. But so what? He took business risks, he created tens of thousands of jobs and some projects and businesses failed due to changing economic conditions.

Mistigri · 27/02/2016 21:44

Not all business failures end in bankruptcy.

Bankruptcy occurs when business managers take excessive risks with other people's money and are unable to pay their creditors - who may be other small businesses or even employees.

It is not possible to spin this in Trump's favour: a company which goes bankrupt has failed to implement appropriate risk management and mitigation measures, and this by definition reflects negatively on the businesses owners and senior executives.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 21:56

No it was the American War of Independence against tyrannical rule from abroad.

It doesn't particularly matter if from abroad or inside.
What's different between someone fighting against tyrannical rule in the US or in Syria?

And the founding fathers were also supported by the French, who clearly had an interest in them rebelling against England. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War

Jihadists, I tell you. Grin

claig · 27/02/2016 22:09

'What's different between someone fighting against tyrannical rule in the US or in Syria?'

Because the Islamist Jihadis would not exist at all if they weren't funded and supported by neighbouring countries, plus the Jihadis and Al Qaeda and Al Nusra and Isis are mainly all foreigners, not Syrians.

claig · 27/02/2016 22:12

Also, the Jihadis are not secular, they don't believe in democracy, they are all fighting a religious war and believe in Sharia law.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 22:27

If you think Jeremy Corbyn caused an earthquake when he won, you haven't seen anything yet.

That's OK then, because manifestly Corbyn caused no such thing.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 22:29

One business bankruptcy might be seen as unfortunate. Three in succession which leave a trail of innocent people facing financial disaster cannot be due to anything other than serious mismanagement at best, or active dishonesty at worst.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 22:35

You really don't think I am saying they are exactly the same, do you?

You called the people who rebelled against Al-Assad jihadists. Many aren't.
They really just want to live in peace and in freedom.
Most people there are caught between two (more, actually) fires.

By the US not caring about tyrants or by supporting them, the more the likelihood that masses of people will join whatever group that wants to get rid of such tyrants.

And foreign interests (including Putin's Russia) will always be in waiting to serve themselves.

The Middle East is a very crowded china shop that requires extreme care. Not that anyone has done particularly good work, but I don't see Trump coming out particularly well if he has to deal with it.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 22:38

Four bankruptcies.

claig · 27/02/2016 22:43

Listen to one of our top experts on the Middle East, Alastair Crooke, former MI6, on a 30 minute interview on Russia Today, he explains that there are no moderates fighting there, they are all Sharia style Jihadis.

'By the US not caring about tyrants or by supporting them, the more the likelihood that masses of people will join whatever group that wants to get rid of such tyrants.'

No, this is a Tony Blair type argument. The reality is that they are funded and sponsored from outside.

'but I don't see Trump coming out particularly well if he has to deal with it.'

He said the politicians should have gone to the beach and left Saddam and Gaddafi in charge and then there would have been no terrorism and massive refugee crisis etc.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 22:53

Not sure what a moderate is in a conflict.
Were the Allies moderate?
And as there hasn't been anyone directly supported by the West, i.e. the moderates who are dying or fleeing the country, should we just keep the refugees at the border trying to escape and let the extremes kill each other (and the moderates who are trying to flee) in the process?
Because there are a few millions coming out and putting pressure on surrounding countries and Europe. So, maybe, it might be worth intervening in some way for the sake or regional stability?

claig · 27/02/2016 22:54

How Donald Trump made bankroptcy work for him.

"But to those uninitiated in bankruptcy laws, four instances of corporate bankruptcy in a row can seem staggering. “To the ordinary person in the street, it may seem surprising, but certainly not to me,” said Reed Smith partner Michael Venditto, who has represented clients in high profile Chapter 11 cases, including bankrupt airline TWA. “Chapter 11 is how you reshape and restructure a company that has problems. It doesn’t indicate anything nefarious or even bad management.”

  1. It’s better than the alternative.

More important, said Venditto, are the repercussions Chapter 11 might have for creditors versus, say, liquidation. “You can have a visceral reaction to the fact that this company has gone through Chapter 11 multiple times, but the bondholders look at it and the alternatives are much, much worse. What is an empty casino sitting on the Atlantic City boardwalk worth?
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  1. He’s not the one to blame.

Atlantic City lawyer Viscount doesn’t believe Donald Trump himself should be held accountable for any of his company’s bankruptcies — his creditors, he said, knew what they were getting themselves into when they lent Trump money over and over again. “They’re all big boys and girls,” he said. “They’ve all played this game before, in the insolvency space. The company that possessed his name filed bankruptcy because it was overleveraged. What does that tell you? People want to lend him money. He does grandiose things with it.”

www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/#52106ae26f7a

claig · 27/02/2016 22:58

'And as there hasn't been anyone directly supported by the West'

The Russians are bombing what are called "moderates" that the Americans have armed and trained and lots of people in the States are saying what is going on and why are we allowing the Russians to do that.

'So, maybe, it might be worth intervening in some way for the sake or regional stability?'

It would be worth making peace and ending the support of the Jihadis by Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

claig · 27/02/2016 23:01

Trump again. The courage is amazing. He is certainly not a Tony Blair.

"Donald Trump aligned himself with Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, saying that Turkey appears to be on the side of the Islamic State.

“Turkey looks like they’re on the side of ISIS, more or less based on the oil,” Trump said Tuesday morning in an interview with Sirius XM's "Breitbart News Daily," echoing comments from the Russian president on Monday."

www.politico.com/story/2015/12/trump-putin-isil-turkey-216309

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