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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:13

You are either a comedy genius or on glue.

Any google news on his 2003 position on the Iraq invasion?

claig · 27/02/2016 20:14

'I wonder if he would also quit the US after bankrupting it'

The US is effectively already bankrupt. Maybe Trump, the bankruptcy expert, is there to bilk the creditors. But Trump will find a very hardball way out of this and the major countries of the world will have to help to avoid a collapse that speads across the world without creating a war.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:16

Not sure it would collapse. If countries insist on keeping dollar reserves, maybe.

But, no the US is not likely to collapse. Few countries have.

The problem is that helping out of a collapse comes with a price. So, Trump won't get those fantastic agreements he claims he'll get.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:18

'It wouldn't be world war.

Unless Trump wants one. '

You obviously haven't been following events. Trump does not want world war, he wants to get on well with Putin. He is a dealmaker. The Establishment Kasich wanted to "punch the Russians on the nose". Read the globalist Economist to see what they say about Russia and Putin, it is teh opposite of what Trump says. They are anti Trump and pro sanctions and to some extent confrontation.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:18

Germany has not been "totally destabilized" it's still functioning normally. I lived there for 7 years until recently. I think that's just your wild hopes talking. The US in the other hand has huge amounts of homeless people living on the streets of every major city. It also has still has a much higher rate of violent crime of every sort compared to a Europe.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:20

You obviously haven't been following events.

I do follow events.

You follow what Trump says.

It's quite different.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:20

'Much in the way of GW Bush. '

But Bush and the war hawks like Lindsey Graham are all against Trump because he doesn't want war, he wants peace and deals to end globalism and make America great again.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:22

FrancisdeSales, the process of destabilisation of Germany has begun with the refugee crisis and the Euro crisis. Germany would be powerless to stop it if the plug is pulled on it.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:23

How to you reconcile him wanting peace and then going and telling countries how it's going to be?

The two are incompatible.

And, quite frankly, making friends with Putin is very similar to making friends with the burglar you just found trying to open your back door. You give him a finger and you'll soon find out you've lost your arm.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:25

America was only "great" by exploiting others, if you want a high standard of living you have to pay for it in 2016.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:27

'How to you reconcile him wanting peace and then going and telling countries how it's going to be?'

No. Trump will make deals with the major countries like Russia and China. The rest will be told what the deal is and will have to go along.

"War is diplomacy by other means"

Trump does not want war, he wants to do a deal to prevent it.
The globalists and neo-cons are prepared to risk war to save themselves.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:28

Germany manufacturers a lot of high quality goods (machinery, chemicals, cars) that the rest of the world wants, whatever currency they trade in the rest of the world will buy. What exactly is the US manufacturing these days?

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:30

Why would anyone "go along" with whatever the US says?

claig · 27/02/2016 20:31

'America was only "great" by exploiting others, if you want a high standard of living you have to pay for it in 2016.'

No, it became the biggest manufacturing nation on earth by creating goods that the world wanted. America was relatively isolationist in its early days. The real conservative wing of the Republican Party - Pat Buchanan, Trump etc - are part of the isolationist tendency where they want to make America great again by rebuilding it rather than engaging in Blairite "humanitarian" socialist neo-con wars across the planet in the name of globalism.

You rightly said that Germany is now wealthy, but that is because it does not engage in military adventures or act as the global policeman and concentrates on making goods that the world wants. That is what will happen under Trump. He will negotiate deals and carve out areas of interests with the major powers and the rest of the world will have to go along with what the major powers want. It is realpolitik.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:33

I'm quite curious about the type of deal Trump will make with Putin.
"Sure, have Syria and wipe out any opposition to al-Assad. No problem. Incursions over Turkey? Go ahead."

With China will be even more interesting, trying to show them and failing that the US is the only country they should be doing business with, and so will have to agree on better trade agreements for the US. While not caring one bit for the conditions of the Chinese workers.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:35

'Why would anyone "go along" with whatever the US says?'

Because the major powers - Russia and China - care about their interests and do not want a world war which could turn nuclear, so they are amenable to doing a deal. If the global financial system collapses in an unorderly fashion it will create panic across the globe and the ramifications could be uncontrollable. The global powers under the correct rulers will negotiate a deal to prevent that.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:37

'I'm quite curious about the type of deal Trump will make with Putin. '

I don't know, I can only guess by watching what is going on. But form listening to Trump, he doesn't mind Assad remaining. But that is only a small part of what is likely to happen there.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:38

Because the major powers - Russia and China - care about their interests and do not want a world war which could turn nuclear, so they are amenable to doing a deal.

So, Trump would go to negotiations with the threat of a nuclear war? Hmm

How does that work out with his self-proclaimed peace loving ways?

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:39

But form listening to Trump, he doesn't mind Assad remaining.

So, he's ok with dictatorships and wiping out people who want democracy?

claig · 27/02/2016 20:39

'What exactly is the US manufacturing these days?'

Precisely. The globalists did that, they shipped the jobs and manufacturing abroad. Trump is a "nativist", he will end all of that and reverse it which is why the Financial Times had an article saying

"Nativist populists must not win".

claig · 27/02/2016 20:42

'So, he's ok with dictatorships and wiping out people who want democracy?'

He thinks that Assad is better than the Jihadis. He also said that the world would be much better if Saddam and Gaddafi were still in power. He is a realist, realpolitik politician who cares about US interests, he is not a globalist "humanitarian" Blairite type. Trump cares about the United States and its interests, not whether a country in the Middle East is a democracy or not. He is not a Blairite intervionist, he is a Republican isolationist. That is why the globalists fear him because without the United States, they can't achieve their wishes.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:43

The post-mortem era of prosperity was due to all competition (UK, Japan, Germany) recovering from WW2. Once they were back on their feet the US was under pressure. Now China is the biggest manufacturer in the World and it's 1 billion people dwarfs the US 360 million. Europe's internal market is much bigger than the US. How will the US get back to no 1 when it is the world's biggest debtor nation?

claig · 27/02/2016 20:46

'So, Trump would go to negotiations with the threat of a nuclear war? '

No, because Trump wil overthrow the globalists. A Trump victory is a revolution which will prevent war and the Russians and Chinese don't want war, so they will all make a deal to save the world economy and the cataclysmic collapse that would occur if the financial system collapses.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:47

"Post-war" nit

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:48

Sorry phone! Post-war not Post-mortem.

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