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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 27/02/2016 18:21

'Why do you think the current agreements are not favourable to the States?'

Because Trump is against TPP, a globalist trae deal. He says a lot of the currency manipulation that goes in and Chinese tariffs work against the interest of teh US which is why the US has a $500 billion trade deficit with China.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:27

That is not my question.

It means why do you think the US hasn't been able to negotiate better deals so far? And don't say it's because they're all incompetent and Trump will suddenly go there and sort it out because he's such a great economic genius (how many bankrupcies?).
It's because the US is not such an important trade partner any longer.

claig · 27/02/2016 18:34

"I don't know what's going on" is probably is most correct sentence."

That is what Trump always says to blunt an attack and make it look innocuous.

He was talking about Bush and Cheney and he said

"I don't know if they are bad people. I don't know what's going on"

Of course he knows what they are like.

It is similar to in this camapaign where a TV host asked him to give the one word that describes someone or something. When asked about Hillary Clinton he said "evil" and then later slowly walked it back slightly when asked.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:40

So, great people one day and evil the next?

claig · 27/02/2016 18:41

'It means why do you think the US hasn't been able to negotiate better deals so far? '

Because the politicians are "bought and paid for", they receive donations from globalists and foreign interests and don't work for the best interests of the United States. That is what Trump is going to change, that is why the globalists call him a "nativist" and that is why the Financial Times had an article which said

"Nativist populists must not win"

Trump is going to win unless they trick him out of it.

'It's because the US is not such an important trade partner any longer.'

It is and you will see how important it is when Trump wins.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 18:41

The US can indict Mexico as much as it wants, it still doesn't mean that anyone there, even a new régime, will start meekly handing over hefty sums of money to them. The whole concept is just ludicrous, and if that is Trump's projected strategy he would receive an incredibly rude awakening should he ever try to put it into operation.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 18:44

Trump winning isn't suddenly going to make Russia, China, India and Brazil less significant trading partners. The point is that there are major alternative markets available which are just as attractive as the US and, in many cases, more so. And if Trump starts trying to throw his weight around he will find that he simply drives other countries straight into the arms of those alternatives.

claig · 27/02/2016 18:48

China needs the United States because Russia's economy is in the tank, Brazil is in trouble and India does not have such a high per capita income.

They will all make deals with Trump.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:58

But these countries are still huge internal economies with low salaries and producers for large countries with strong economies.
Even Trump knows he won't be able to fill any of his promises.

China has many markets available to negotiate with and has been investing and spreading in Africa, as well as Europe. Traditional friends of the US won't care if it doesn't suit them. The UK is still very much aligning with the US, but Germany and France not so much, for example. They have they own agenda.

claig · 27/02/2016 19:01

'So, great people one day and evil the next?'

Trump said that Hillary is responsible for the death of "hundreds of thousands of people". What do you think he really thinks of her and Bush etc?

claig · 27/02/2016 19:06

'The UK is still very much aligning with the US, but Germany and France not so much, for example. They have they own agenda.'

Yes, but they all know how important the US is and they know that "nativist" Trump will end the whole globalist plan and that then they will all have to do what Trump says. That is why the Economist, Davos and all the rest are worried about a Trump victory.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 19:13

Sure...

claig · 27/02/2016 19:19

'Sure...'

If you think Jeremy Corbyn caused an earthquake when he won, you haven't seen anything yet. The headlines when Trump wins will reflect the meltdown of the global elites who will be hit in the pocket and whose dreams and schemes and carbon taxes will be history. But then they will stop trying to ban him and will all have to try to win his favour.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 19:35

What if the rest of the world just decided to use a different reserve currency?

claig · 27/02/2016 19:43

'What if the rest of the world just decided to use a different reserve currency?'

Well, yes. This is very dangerous and may lead to war. That is why deals must be done with China and Russia. Frankly, Europe doesn't count. It has been destabilised and the Greek crisis and other Euro crises are not over.

Trump wanst to get on well with Putin. If they come to a deal then China will have no choice but to go along. Then the world will have to work together to solve this disastrous US deficit. I think some countries will have to pony up and pay. But together they can solve it by making good deals.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 19:45

Earthquake?

You can certainly keep writing those things to yourself until you actually believe them.

Apart from the neat job the US did on the global economy with the toxic debt on real estate, the Euro wasn't doing too badly.

Has Trump said anything about regulation of banks and financial markets?

Just found this:
"On September 13, 2015, Trump called rising CEO salaries “a total and complete joke.” He said, "It's very hard if you have a free enterprise system to do anything about that. You know the boards of companies are supposed to do it but I know companies very well and the CEO puts in all his friends...and they get whatever they want you know because their friends love sitting on the board. That's the system that we have and it's a shame and it’s disgraceful.”[41]"
And yet, he has his children as VPs. I'm sure they all have a salary or profit cap too.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 19:48

Then the world will have to work together to solve this disastrous US deficit.

That's really, really funny.

claig · 27/02/2016 19:49

As far as I know, Trump's company is private i.e. it is his own comapny so he can do what he likes. But CEOs in shareholder companies should be held to account by the board and shareholders.

'Has Trump said anything about regulation of banks and financial markets?'

He has talked about removing one of the tax benefits of hedge funds, but I haven't heard much detail on regulation.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 19:56

"Europe doesn't count" you know of course that despite being the size of the USA state of Montana, Germany exports the most automobiles in the world and is also the 4th largest manufacturer in the world? They also are number one in the world for most value added in manufacturing as they have such a highly skilled and educated workforce.

Their standard of living is much higher than the US and their households are not highly indebted the way American households are.

They also have universal health care and university is free to attend.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:01

Why do you think the rest of the world will pay off American citizens credit cards for them?

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:06

His personal company holds several others.

Some of which have gone through spectacular bankrupcies, leaving share holders in the lurch.

www.forbes.com/sites/joanlappin/2011/05/01/business-illusionist-donald-trump-perfect-for-president/#3c8fae08550b

"For sure, it works if you have no regard for your fellow shareholders who are pretty much wiped out in the bankruptcy process. In the case of his casinos, Trump has screwed his shareholders three consecutive times by wiping out their investment."

"The last time, he and his daughter simply quit the week the company went bust so he could say he no longer had a role in the company and even though it had his name on it."

He's just great. Yes.

I wonder if he would also quit the US after bankrupting it. But, then, presidents are not really held accountable for ruining the country, other than not being elected.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:07

'Why do you think the rest of the world will pay off American citizens credit cards for them?'

Because the alternative could be world war. The globalist bankers will not go down without a fight. Kasich said "we should punch the Russians in the nose". The Russians cannot really back down because that will be a takeover and unless Putin is toppled by a cou, I don't think they will back down. So the world leaders (who are not bought and paid for by the globalists) will have to make deals that help America get out of this hole that could sink the whole world.

claig · 27/02/2016 20:10

'Germany exports the most automobiles in the world and is also the 4th largest manufacturer in the world?'

Yes but only because they don't need to spend huge on military etc and have been allowed to export. But Germany has been totally destabilised by the refugee crisis. Merkel won't survive it. The US slapped the fines o Volkswagen. Germany is nothing compared to America. The whole world has to come together and help America out of this crisis.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 20:11

It wouldn't be world war.

Unless Trump wants one.

The US have one of the largest national debts in the world and no war has happened.

Of course, Trump could start wars abroad just to distract from his incapacity to sort things at home or from the mess he would have made. Much in the way of GW Bush.
And he'd blame other countries for not paying the US debt, I suppose, according to your "reasoning".

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 20:11

I think technically the US is already bankrupt as it had no way to pay it's debt and can just about manage the interest. If the world abandoned the dollar the US would collapse. I imagine that's why the Chinese are buying up US assists like crazy in case all the paper they're carrying (US Dollars) becomes worthless.

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