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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 27/02/2016 16:11

'I think your dream that Trump can turn the US around in 4 years is just that, a dream.'

I don't think so. You have to remember that Trump is a very, very tough guy. There will be no messing about. He has said he will only need one term.

'If Trump cuts more taxes how are we to pay our massive public debts, Medicaid and Medicare?'

He is going to reform the whole system. He will save $300 billion a year on drug costs by forcing competitive tendering for drug prices which currently doesn't happen because he says the politicians are in the pockets of the drug companies. He is going to "get rid of the lines" so that there will be real competition nationwide in healthcare provision so that prices are reduced.

'When I was at Uni in 1994 we were told if the US didn't get a grip on its debt asap it would go into massive decline. There is no secret to the current problems, they have been brewing since the early 80s'

Yes the globalists have caused it by shutting down manufacturing and shipping jobs abroad with the free flow of capital under globalisation. It has suited Wall Street but not Main Street. Trump is ending globalism which is why the Economist, the Financial Times, Davos and all the rest don't want Trump to win. Trump is putting America first and that means repatriating jobs and creating employment.

Not only that but Vincente Fox and all the rest of the world's elites are going to find out that they are going to have to start paying America - for the wall, for the military protection otherwise America is going to "take the oil". There will be no more trillion dollar wars for no benefit in the Middle East, but other countries are going to find changed trade rules and they are going to have to write off what they are owed because as Trump says "we ain't paying, we're broke, bye bye" when he talks about the Iran deal etc.

He is going to be very tough in the interest of the United States which is why the globalists fear him and call him crazy and use four letter words about the Wall trying to intimidate him.

As Kirsten Powers said, he will destroy Hillary Clinton in a one-on-one debate, and he will destroy the globalists if they try to stop the United States.

He says "they are laughing at us, they think we are the stupid country"

"not gonna happen anymore"

claig · 27/02/2016 16:12

'He predicts it will be good for Wall Street '

Yes because he knows how Wall Street works, he knows all the top people.

claig · 27/02/2016 16:19

As Roger Stone said, Trump knows more about banks and bankers than anyone. He has stiffed the banks a few times. He will stiff whole countries if they don't fall in line. He will solve America's financial crisis and some countries will lose, but the world in general will win because that will avoid a complete financial meltdown and collapse and it will avoid a third world war.

Unlike Establishment Kasich, Trump won't "punch the Russians on the nose" and unlike the neo-con warmongers he will not risk WWIII. He will solve the problems by being smart as he has been in business.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 16:20

And all he had to say on the war then was that it was good for Wall Street?
No comment on what he said about the war? This is the key question in this matter.

claig · 27/02/2016 16:24

'No comment on what he said about the war? This is the key question in this matter.'

He was against it. You have forced me to spend time googling it. I will post it when I have found it.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 16:24

Claig I think you are drinking the Trump Kool-Aid. The Presidency is not a dictatorship - he will have to work with Congress. He has also personally benefitted hugely from Globalism and made his own companies' goods in China. How can the USA pay it's enormous debts? It can barely make the interest payments right now. These problems are decades in the making they are not going to be solved by just yelling "We are winners!". The poverty in the USA is startling after living in Europe.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 16:28

It really is laughable that Trump's supporters happily accept that he doesn't mean much of what he says. Essentially they are saying that they are blindly trusting that the bits that are the truth are the bits that accord with their views, but obviously they have no means of knowing. I doubt that it occurs to any of them to wonder how they will feel when he doesn't deliver and it's pointed out that they knew and accepted that he didn't mean what he said.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 16:30

He was against it. You have forced me to spend time googling it. I will post it when I have found it.
I bloody hope I did force you. You can't just say you saw a reference to an interview. Googling your reference brings an opposing result to your claim.
Good luck.

claig · 27/02/2016 16:41

'The Presidency is not a dictatorship - he will have to work with Congress.'

They will work with him. He is a good deal maker and when he explains what he will do and how it is in the interests of America, they will go along. Don't forget that he has said he will prosecute Clinton and he will open up the redacted 28 pages of the 911 report. Some serious people and countries will be paying serious fines and doing serious jail time.

'He has also personally benefitted hugely from Globalism and made his own companies' goods in China.'

That is right but that is all history, just like his donations to the Clinton Foundation etc. That was what he did when he was in business, but running the United States is not a business and he is going to run it for the benefit of the United States and its people and not for the globalists which is why China has warned Trump and why Vincente Fox has agressively twice within two days claimed that he will not be paying for that f* wall. He will be paying.

'How can the USA pay it's enormous debts?'

I think that there will be indictments and fines for certain countries when it is discovered what really went on and who stood to benefit. Debts will be written off. Also America's economy will boom as Trump changes the ridiculous situation where the most dynamic, innovative capitalist country n earth has the highest level of corporation tax. It is alsmost as if the globalists did it on purpose so that America would lose jobs. America will become the growth engine of the world once Trump creates a very business friendly environment and rewrites the globalists' trade deals like TPP etc to America's benefit.

'These problems are decades in the making they are not going to be solved by just yelling "We are winners!". '

Yes, but Trump is going to "make America great again" because he is a very sharp businessman who understands all the tricks that business and banks use and he will transform the system to benefit America and not Wall Street, foreign banks and Saudi princes or anyone else.

'The poverty in the USA is startling after living in Europe.'

Yes, and Trump wants to change all of that and most Repubican voters believe that he is the best person for the job.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 16:42

Right, so your googling on Trump's views on the war hasn't brought up the result you want?

claig · 27/02/2016 16:45

"The War in Iraq is a total catastrophe" in the year 2003

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 16:45

How exactly do you imagine the US can collect a fine it imposes on another country? If it starts trying to confiscate their assets in the US it will only backfire in a big, big way and drive them into the arms of precisely the powers that the US would rather they kept well away from.

The trouble with reducing corporate tax is that the money will simply have to be raised in other ways. That will go down like a lead balloon with Trump's supporters.

FrancisdeSales · 27/02/2016 16:54

Most corporations in the US do not pay anywhere close to the supposed 35% most pay 15% or less due to tax right offs.

claig · 27/02/2016 17:04

'How exactly do you imagine the US can collect a fine it imposes on another country?'

How do you think that countries hand over former leaders to send them to the Hague etc. If America tells that country that their leader is indicted for crimes, there is a coup and the new regime hands them over and pays the fine or they don't trade with the US and its partners. The US gets its way.

'If it starts trying to confiscate their assets in the US it will only backfire in a big, big way and drive them into the arms of precisely the powers that the US would rather they kept well away from.'

I doubt it. I think that would risk them becoming a pariah nation and there would be a coup to stop that happening. Don't forget that Trump's genius is that he thinks he will get on well with Putin so there will be no other country for them to turn to apart from China and China would not want to have trade embargos with the US for the sake of some country which had its leader indicted by the United States. Trump will make deals with the powerful countries for their mutual benefit and if it is found that any countries harmed US interests, they will have to pay up.

'The trouble with reducing corporate tax is that the money will simply have to be raised in other ways. That will go down like a lead balloon with Trump's supporters.'

No, because there are about 98 million people in the United States not in employment and 50 million in poverty and 45 million on food stamps. Trump will create employment in high paid manufacturing roles and these people will be lifted out of poverty and will be able to pay taxes.

claig · 27/02/2016 17:06

'Most corporations in the US do not pay anywhere close to the supposed 35% most pay 15% or less due to tax right offs.'

But you have companies like Pfizer leaving the US to go to Ireland because the tax regime is more favourable.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 17:18

How do you think that countries hand over former leaders to send them to the Hague etc. If America tells that country that their leader is indicted for crimes, there is a coup and the new regime hands them over and pays the fine or they don't trade with the US and its partners. The US gets its way.

Oh, lovely. And what if there isn't a coup? The US can't just announce another world leader is indicted for unspecified crimes without evidence or foundation but just because Trump fancies balancing the books to pay for his frolics.

Honestly, your grasp of basic foreign affairs is as hazy as your grasp of economics.

claig · 27/02/2016 17:24

AugustaFinkNottle, Trump said he will open up the 28 redacted pages of the 911 report. Wait until you see what happens after that. Trump will use evidence. The US has all the evidence it needs.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:03

BTW, I'm not that clever.
A comment at the bottom of the clip mentions the true year.

AugustaFinkNottle · 27/02/2016 18:04

If you seriously imagine that the famous 28 pages will provide evidence to provoke coups in all and any country the US fancies claiming some money from, you really are in cloud cuckoo land.

I'm also fascinated with your notion that the first priority of someone who takes over power following a coup is to start throwing money at the US. The US isn't going to start refusing to trade with the new régime just because it doesn't fancy paying the "fines" that Trump unilaterally chooses to impose on its predecessor, or if it can't pay them. That would be completely cutting off the US's nose to spite its face.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:09

If America tells that country that their leader is indicted for crimes, there is a coup and the new regime hands them over and pays the fine or they don't trade with the US and its partners.

This sort of attitude has worked really well in the past. Not.

These days, in addition to Russia, China, India, even Brasil are queuing up to make trade. The US is competing not dictating.

claig · 27/02/2016 18:13

'but the news as they appear at the bottom correspond to 2007 headlines'

OK, I will look for something earlier

'If you seriously imagine that the famous 28 pages will provide evidence to provoke coups in all and any country the US fancies claiming some money from, you really are in cloud cuckoo land. '

I didn't say every country. That is an example of how tough Trump will be. Roger Stone said that there would probably be indictments in Mexico for money laundering drug money. Those are probably just a few things Trump will do, but he will slash the US deficit and as he has said he will do it "quickly" and that will get the whole world out of a terrible problem because the US deficit could destabilise the entire planet.

claig · 27/02/2016 18:15

'These days, in addition to Russia, China, India, even Brasil are queuing up to make trade.'

They all want to trade with the United States and Trump will make deals that suit the United States.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:15

The same clip with the correct reference date (2007). Better quality too.

Hindsight is great. :)

"I don't know what's going on" is probably is most correct sentence.

Lweji · 27/02/2016 18:16

They all want to trade with the United States

Do they?

Why do you think the current agreements are not favourable to the States?

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