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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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BigChocFrenzy · 23/02/2016 23:37

I don't think Trump could stop her getting the nomination, but a judge or the FBI might, because they would be relying on evidence.

A lot of Democratic or Independent voters might refuse to vote for her - Even apart from the sleaze, she's regarded as totally beholden to Wall Street, which is very unpopular
e.g. She accepted totaling $675,000 speaking fees from Goldman Sachs for just 3 engagements in June - October 2013.
How can she claim to represent ordinary people ?

claig · 23/02/2016 23:49

'I don't think Trump could stop her getting the nomination'

I think Trump will say some stunning things in a live debate and then the media won't be able to hide it and then Trump will probably have senior people who will back it up. Also, I am not sure if you are aware of what Bill Clinton did. Trump's team is going to run huge ads with the women involved and the media will not be able to hide it. Trump is not a member of the "political class", he will go all out to tell the truth and win.

Rumours are that the FBI may recommend prosecution but it will then depend if Obama's Justice Dept goes along with it. Rumours are that Obama dislikes the Clintons, but he may be bargaining etc.

'A lot of Democratic or Independent voters might refuse to vote for her'

Yes, everyone knows she is just a Wall Street type unlike Bernie. Also if the Democrats steal the nomination from Bernie in some way that will anger Bernie's huge support and they may not vote for Hillary.

'How can she claim to represent ordinary people ?'

Bernie wants her to release teh transcripts of what she said to Goldman Sachs. She said she would but hasn't yet. She is part of the elitist group.

The more I learn about what goes on, the more I realise it is nothing like they pretend on the campaign trail. There is so much hidden and dirty behind the facade and they use people and different demographics to try and fool people that they are on their side. Trump knows so much about the reality and he is such a loose cannon, with seemingly no fear, that he will blow the whole thing wide open. By the time he has finished, no one will be left standing. He has already ended the Bush dynasty, next he will end the Clinton dynasty.

claig · 23/02/2016 23:55

Trump must have some serious security and some serious factions supporting him otherwise he could never get away with what he is doing to the Establishment because he is putting the real frighteners on a lot of people. He is going to take a lot of people down.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/02/2016 00:08

I'm definitely no Trump fan, but he might beat Clinton if more of her skeletons come out of the closet.
Did you read about this latest ?

President Jimmy Carter's long-time pollster Pad Caddell recently stated that the FBI investigation of Email-Gate is heating up:
The reason for what Clinton claims was just "naive" mixing of government & private email accounts may in fact have been to hide foreign bribes to the Clinton Foundation:

NY Times Article - Did Russians pay Clinton Foundation for Uranium Deal ?

  • The US government gave fast-track approval of (Russian state) Rosatom’s acquisition of US firm U1, which controls 20% of US strategic uranium reserves
  • Donations totalling $40+ million in 2006-2013 to the Clinton Foundation from U1’s associates
  • Clinton was Secretary of State 2009-2013, with power to influence such decisions.
claig · 24/02/2016 00:19

'The reason for what Clinton claims was just "naive" mixing of government & private email accounts may in fact have been to hide foreign bribes to the Clinton Foundation:'

Yes. If you are interested in the skullduggery etc go to yourube and look for Roger Stone Trump etc. He was Trump's former adviser, a very hardball former Reoublican operative and dirty tricks type guy, worked for Reagan, Nixon etc. He has written a book called "The Clintons War on Women". Lots and lots of stuff in there. He has also just released a book called "Jeb and the Bush Crime Family", lots in there too. Of course, the other side claim it is not all true etc.

Yes, there is the Uranium mine. But there is a lot worse possibly over Qatar. Libya etc and then Benghazi etc.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/02/2016 00:21

I remember being exasperated at Bill Clinton, The Cigar & That Dress, but that was all just his (pathetic) private life.
I felt angry at the Republicans using that and I doubt if voters now would be interested in decades old sexual scandals.

Hell, I even remember watching Tricky Dicky and Watergate < that dates me > which started the trend for US parties to try impeachment of the other side's president.
Even if Hilary gets elected, I think she'd spend most of her time avoiding impeachment, because the Republicans have a wealth of her scandals to choose from.

claig · 24/02/2016 00:21

A lot of politicians are bought and paid for as Trump says. Trump doesn't need anyone's money, that is why he is going to blow the whole corruption wide open and he is going to end it. He must be being supported by a faction that intends to take the corrupt down in order to save America because the situation is bad with possible world wars and economic collapses etc.

claig · 24/02/2016 00:27

'I felt angry at the Republicans using that and I doubt if voters now would be interested in decades old sexual scandals.'

Everybody knows about it. Look up the "Clintons War on Women". No one discusses it in real detail on TV news but Fox occasionally has Roger Stone on and flashes the book title up. All the journalists know all about it, but obviouslymost can't discuss it in detail on air, but if you listen to Roger Stone on youtube you can see that Trump intends to blow it wide open with huge ads and women speaking possibly at his rallies etc. There is no way the media will be able to keep it quiet.

Trump was asked again yesterday at a live TV discussion about how he went after Hillary when she called him "sexist". He said yes, "they [the Clintons] had a difficult weekend" after he hinted "be careful" to Hillary.

claig · 24/02/2016 00:30

'Even if Hilary gets elected, I think she'd spend most of her time avoiding impeachment, because the Republicans have a wealth of her scandals to choose from.'

Roger Stone and some people are saying she has to get elected in order not to be prosecuted. The Republicans are useless because don't forget the whole lot are in it together. Trump isn't which is why he is decimating the Republicans and why he will blow it wide open for real which is why everyone wants to stop him.

claig · 24/02/2016 01:53

CNN finds that Nevada is "Trump country"

claig · 24/02/2016 08:14

Record turnouts in Nevada. Huge Trump win. Trump won across nearly all demographics and he won among Latino voters.

Now we are off to Super Tuesday where Trump will also clean up. Establishment in tatters, they have never been so frightened in their lives.
Political elites all over the world (all the politically correct ones) are also very worried at what they are watching. They know it is all over.

CNN debate on Friday. Establishment candidates have to try and stop him there.

2016IsANewYearforMe · 24/02/2016 10:27

I'll be honest claig, I do like Hillary. I think she is intelligent, well educated and experienced. Her experience means she will have a track record with mistakes along the way to pick apart. If we want politicians with perfect track records, we will end up with politicians with no track records at all!

I wonder, what will Trump do if he is elected? He has a lot of bluster, but Washington is designed to be grid-locked; the old "checks and balances." Getting things done in Washington is very different to running a business. I really do wonder how he will build a wall between Mexico and America, and get the Mexicans to pay for it, and deport 11 million people. It all seems impossible, even if you do think it is desirable. And finding all this desirable would be a big leap for me, I must admit.

claig · 24/02/2016 11:07

'I'll be honest claig, I do like Hillary.'

2016IsA, there is lots we don't really know about any of these lot. Trump's people know it and may well reveal it. What we see, the spin we hear, is nothing like the reality behind it. It is a lot worse than just "mistakes".

'I wonder, what will Trump do if he is elected?'

I don't know how hw will do it, but it is now obvious that it will be revolutionary. People will be going to jail for what they have done, he will open the redacted 28 pages of the 911 report, he will scrap the globalists' trade rules and bring back millions of jobs to America, he will slash corporation tax and make business boom in the United States, he will smash Isis in cooperation with Russia, he will end the risk of WWIII, he will force countries to pay up to help slash the US deficit which is not only a problem for America but for the stability and peace of the whole world since teh world's financial system hinges on the stability of the dollar, he will put the boot int the globalists globalisation plans and restrict the Wall Street and hedge fund excesses that have led to speculation and bail outs and the export of US jobs, he will scrap the global warming agreements and lower energy prices which will help industry, he will end politcal correctness and free the people from the political class's trickery.

The Establishment and the puppet class of politicians across the world are terrified of him because he will tear up the one world globalisation plans of the globalists and rewrite the rules in the favour of the US.

It is good for us too because the US is the freest country on the planet and what is good for the US will also rub off on us as our useless politically correct political class have to suck up to Trump and change their losing ways.

We are returning to national sovereignty and an end to the elites plan of globalising and running the entire world centrally with their bought and paid for class of unelected bureaurcratic servants.

'I really do wonder how he will build a wall between Mexico and America, and get the Mexicans to pay for it, and deport 11 million people'

I douby he will actually deport 11 million people, but he will definitely build the Wall and the Mexicans will definitely pay for it because they have a $58 billion trade surplus with the United States and if they don't play ball with Trump, he will slap trade sanctions on them.

The whole world will have to play ball with Trump. The entire world's political class of puppets is terrified because they know that the plan they have been following will be torn up because a new boss will be in town - Donald J Trump and America.

It is the end of the globalists' dreams of ruling the world.

claig · 24/02/2016 11:56

The other thing is that the current political class have to stand for election again for the Senate, Congress and state governorships etc. This is a popular uprising and the candidates who will win those elections will be Trumpite candidates, people who back Trump.

The politically correct Governor of South Carolina, Nikki Haley, backed the politically correct Establishment candidate, Marco Rubio. But the Liutenant Governor of South Carolina endorsed Trump and Trump said at his victory speech in South Carolina that he preferred the Lieutenant Governor to the Governor.

Elites and the donor class are frightened of openly going against Trump because they fear he will win and if he wins, he will go after any crookedness of people who were against him.

"Mega-donors shy away from fight with Trump

Fearful of counterattacks, rich conservatives and their allies are mostly holding their fire.
...
And they worry that, if they fund higher-profile attacks, they could come under attack from Trump, who this week fired a warning shot at one of the few major donors to the anti-Trump efforts, Marlene Ricketts, tweeting that her family “better be careful, they have a lot to hide!”
...
"We would totally donate to you if we could do it anonymously; we’re worried about Trump taking reprisals against us for donating to this,” Mair said, parroting reactions she’s heard from donors."

www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-megadonors-219690

They are in panic mode because they know that their game is up.

Some of the political class have their own "charidees" and "foundations" and some have received payments from foreign governments and foreign billionaires and hedge fund billionaires and have followed policies that have not been to the benefit of the American people. Trump will expose it.

As Trump says "the war in Iraq was a big fat mistake" and the US spent trillions and lost thousands of people and hundreds of thousands died and it has not been in America's interest and Trump said that Hillary is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Once Trump brings jobs back to America and is successful in ending America's decline, there will be a snowball effect as anti Trump candidates are kicked out of office so that Trump backers can continue the job of "making America great again, greater than it has ever been".

And that will be good for the whole world as countries negotiate individually instead of being controlled centrally.

2016IsANewYearforMe · 24/02/2016 12:17

All these things you say he would do, he hasn't exactly committed to doing. Are you sure he would do all these things? Or are you pinning your hopes on a cypher and you are reading into him what you wish for?

I think a lot of the working classes in the first world would like to be protected from the sharp end of globalisation. If anyone can actually deliver on that, I think they could gain and hold power for a very long time. The problem is, I am not sure it is possible to do even with the will to do it.

claig · 24/02/2016 12:28

'All these things you say he would do, he hasn't exactly committed to doing'

He has given consistent hints that he will do all those things. You have to remember that he is not one of the "political class", he doesn't have to run for office like the bought and paid for do, he wants to run and it is not for his own ego as the "political class" says, but because he wanst to get things done and fix America. The Establishment are terrified of him, the donors and elites are terrified and the world's political class of bureaucrats and civil servants are also terrified. That shows that they know what he will do and it will end the entire gloablist plan and put America first again.

'I think a lot of the working classes in the first world would like to be protected from the sharp end of globalisation.'

Yes, that is why Trump is winning. Trump will do it. It can be done but it will require getting the current elite out of power. Trump has already ended 30 years of Bushism, next he will finish off the Clintons.

' The problem is, I am not sure it is possible to do even with the will to do it.'

This is what the political class tell us, the bought and paid for say, but it isn't true and they know it which is why they are all terrified of Trump. We are told we can't save our steel plants, that we have to pool sovereignty to fight climate change. Trump has called bullshit on the whole scam and he will end it and restore the living standards that the people aspire to.

Some elites have enriched themselves at the expense of the people, the middle class is in decline. As Trump said in a speech "we have zero growth, we are dying, folks, we are dying".

"Not gonna happen anymore".
Trump 2016!

Want2bSupermum · 24/02/2016 12:52

The problem with HC is that she will have a very hard time getting anything done because there are so many skeletons in her closet. DT would have a hard time getting things done because of the process.

It's still too early to say if Trump will get the nomination. I think at this point the GoP would let him run if he wins enough delegate votes but would negotiate hard for them to pick his running mate.

claig · 24/02/2016 13:04

Trump interviewed on Fox just said that "59% of African-Americans are unemployed, no one ever heard anything like that". he will bring jobs back which is why he is doing well with African-Americans and Latinos.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/02/2016 19:45

The US probably can do "Fortress America" and force jobs back to the USA, because they have vast natural resources of damn near everything and so many key multinationals have HQs there.
They have a population of about 350 million and - very important - are the overwhelming military superpower.

So, the USA is the one country for which re-industrialisation and returning wc jobs may be possible, although v complicated and requiring full-time work by a President.
I don't know if Trump knows how to achieve this, or could appoint a cabinet to do so. A Republican Congress would support this, but probably a Democratic one wouldn't.
None of us know if Trump would abandon everything he promised and just swan around in Air Force One for 4 years.

Much smaller, densely populated countries like the UK have insufficient natural resources for the population and have to import essential things - like 40% of out food, like duel & power.
So, we'd go broke and have to go begging to our neighbours if we copied this and tried "Fortress Britain"
This is why I think our economy and standard of living would take a big hit if we left the EU
We are not sufficiently important or poweful to fend off vengeful Eurocrats
< waits for several indignant posts from claig and the Kippers, sounds a catchy name for a band Grin >

BigChocFrenzy · 24/02/2016 20:01

I expect all politicians to have scrapes and mishaps, but Hilary seems exceptionally accident-prone and sleazy. She fantasises / lies - remember she had to admit she "misspoke" (!) about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire

For decades, a large chunk of the US electorate have been showing their anger at their stagnating standard of living. So the many Independents and Democrats who can't stand Hilary may just stay home and send a message to the Democrats to listen in 2020 and not to foist yet another Goldmann Sachs candidate on them again.

Or they may dread a powerless President Clinton II who might be fighting impeachment and Special Prosecutors from her Inauguration Day onwards.

claig · 24/02/2016 20:16

'I don't know if Trump knows how to achieve this'

He is going to slash corporation tax to 15% from its currently very high level which I think is about 39%, so American companies will be able to repatrirate the trillions they hold offshore. then he will get the best business people to renotiate trade deals with China, Mexico, Japan etc so that they slash their trade surpluses by buying US goods or he will hit them with trade tariffs. The US is the first or second richest market in the world so if it closed off to the world, then the world will suffer. The more well-paid jobs US citizens have, the more money they wil spend and the more products companies in the US will produce.

Globalisation is a trick of the globalists using big banks and corporations to invest in cheap labour areas that sell to high income areas but it slowly kills the goose that lays the golden egg. It is probably done deliberately by the globalists to weaken the rich industrial countries by forcing them to deindustrialise so that eventually the world becomes balanced in terms of wealth so that no one country can challenge them and they can achieve their world government.

Trump has challenged them, he has thrown down the gauntlet and the Trumpites have picked it up and are running with it. Trump is potting America first and ending the globalists' game.

Their global carbon tax regime where they strip teh resources of countries and eventually put them into a global type fund in order to slow down growth and human development and to control the world's resources for themselves is being challenged by Trump and America is back and will not go along with the game anymore. Trump is not bought and paid for like many of the rest of the political class so he won't allow US sovereignty to be subsumed in a globalist system. They are in real trouble with Trump which is why their minions and media worldwide are in shock at Trump's rise.

'None of us know if Trump would abandon everything he promised and just swan around in Air Force One for 4 years.'

Very unlikely because he has made lots of very powerful enemies by challenging the globalists and he has talked about opening up the redacted 28 pages of the 911 report and about auditing the Fed. So they are under no illusion that he means business.

'Much smaller, densely populated countries like the UK have insufficient natural resources for the population and have to import essential things - like 40% of out food, like duel & power.'

We have lots of farming land and could become almost self-sufficient in food as we had to be after WW! where the Germans nearly succeeded in starving us out because we were not self-sufficient. We can also make our own coal-fired power stations and nuclear plants and we have North Sea Oil, but the globalists have intentionally put a hold on coal in order to weaken countries which have it and make them interdependent on other countries so that they cannot become sovereign and independent from the globalists. We could easily make goods that meet the basic needs of the population of 60 million and which provide employment and we can then just import the things we do not make. But that does not fit the globalisation system which essentially impoverishes the people and enriches the metropolitan elites.

'So, we'd go broke and have to go begging to our neighbours if we copied this and tried "Fortress Britain" '

No, we are the fifth largest economy in the world. We could make our own goods, but our bankers would not make such large profits and bonuses. The metropolitan elite will be worse off but the millions of ordinary people will be better off.

'This is why I think our economy and standard of living would take a big hit if we left the EU
We are not sufficiently important or poweful to fend off vengeful Eurocrats'

They need us more than we need them. We are their biggest trading partner and we have a trade deficit with them. They are in a sclerotic anti-business high regulatory bureaucratic regime which has low growth. Without them and with teh right politicians we could do what America will do under Trump.

That is what our political class fear and is why they fear Trump and the Trump phenomenon becuse they know that if Trump gets in, then people here will say why can't we have some Trump and the political class will have to try and ban him again.

claig · 24/02/2016 20:38

'The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos '

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/trump-fear-stalks-davos-as-elite-pray-for-spring-reality-check

'Trump Is Losing the Davos Primary Among His Fellow Billionaires'

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-20/trump-is-losing-the-davos-primary-among-his-fellow-billionaires

That is all you need to know about Trump. He is going to end their globalist world economic forum type cosy system and put America back on top.

Trump is for the people which is why the Establishment desperately wants to stop him and why nothing but a 'brokered convention' Establishment stitchup can end Trump 2016.

claig · 24/02/2016 20:40

'The broad support behind Trump’s Nevada win should terrify the Republican establishment'

www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105256/trump-nevada-exit-polls

They are in pieces. Trump is their worst nightmare.

Lweji · 24/02/2016 20:44

He is going to slash corporation tax to 15%

Why am I not surprised by that? Grin

Except he can't.
Not directly.

claig · 24/02/2016 20:45

The only thing they have got to hold their house of cards together is the political correctness they enforce on the people.

Trump has challenged political correctness head on. They have hired their best wonks and teenage whizzkids to try and stop Trump's assault on their last citadel, political correctness, but they can't find any wonks clever enough to beat the people.

"How to Take 'Political Correctness' Away From Donald Trump

The Republican front-runner is exploiting popular anger against the policing of ordinary conversation—but also violating norms that protect America’s basic liberties."

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/how-to-take-political-correctness-away-from-donald-trump/470271/

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