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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 24/02/2016 20:49

This is the biggest show on earth. If Trump beats them, he liberates the people worldwide. If they beat him, they will defeat the people and impose austerity and globalisation and a global carbon trading scheme that will impoverish billions of people and enrich only themselves.

They know what is at stake, they know that Trump 2016 spells their doom.

claig · 24/02/2016 21:13

'Establishment turns to Rubio to stop Trump'

thehill.com/homenews/campaign/270359-establishment-turns-to-rubio-to-stop-trump

'Establishment seeks USS Marco Rubio to save it from Donald Trump'

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/23/charles-hurt-gop-stablishment-looks-to-marco-rubio/

Rubio is their penultimate act. But he wil fall flat just like so many others did before because the people love Trump, they line up to see him in their thousands, and they don't love Rubio.

After that, they wil be down to their last throw of the dice, their time-honoured tactic - the dirty trick.

But does Trump see five moves ahead? Does he play chess? I have heard he is a grandmaster.

They will pack Thursday night's debate with their usual stooges who boo every word Trump says and applaud their puppets, they will have their media hacks tweeting throughout the debate that "now finally Trump is finished". But they won't fool the people for we understand their game, we understand their desperation, we know they fear Trump 2016.

Want2bSupermum · 24/02/2016 21:45

Hate to get technical but what it looks like he is going to do is remove the penalty where profits are taxed twice. Reading between the lines my money is on Trump putting a restriction on money going abroad for investment. If it means jobs are lost it won't be allowed. If it generates income for the U.S. it will be allowed.

How you set a policy up like that I don't know. China have done it so it is very possible.

claig · 24/02/2016 22:11

Mitt Romney has stuck his oar in unhelpfully and has said "we have reason to believe there is a bombshell in Trump's taxes".

Very underhand low blow. What does this have to do with policy? A sign that they are getting desperate?

claig · 24/02/2016 22:14

Wouldn't Romney be better off to mind his own business and butt out?

Inkanta · 25/02/2016 13:37

Well what the world needs now is someone who is not afraid to kick ass...someone with balls for a change. Trump strikes me as a man who's got that! I can understand why he is flavour of our times with his U.S citizens.

He's not great on tact and diplomacy and has some suspect views, but I find myself rooting for him and I'm not completely sure why.

He seems real enough, warts and all,doesn't hide behind a narcissist mask and it's good to see him kicking the establishment. Seems like a refreshing change but I could be wrong.

TendonQueen · 25/02/2016 16:13

That seems rather a double standard, claig. If when Trump attacks people that's a sign of his wonderful fearlessness and lack of political correctness, why shouldn't others get to do it? Why should Romney butt out when Trump does the exact opposite?

Lweji · 25/02/2016 16:14

I think the last thing the world needs is another bull in a china shop.
The hawks haven't had much success the last couple of decades. Iraq? Afghanistan?

claig · 25/02/2016 16:49

'Why should Romney butt out when Trump does the exact opposite?'

Because the people love Trump because he is with the people and they don't like Romney because he is Establishment.

But the people expect the Establishment to come after Trump. We know their game and we hope that Trump will beat them.

claig · 25/02/2016 17:01

They are coming after Trump. We know they will, they have to. The people are with Trump, the Establishment are against him. They are going to throw everything they have got at him.

"The Coming Anti-Trump Onslaught

he anti-Trump onslaught is coming. Perhaps within weeks. Just not necessarily from Republicans.

Almost as soon as Donald Trump is the presumptive GOP nominee — which may be as soon as March 15 — Democrats will surely cut their negative ads, and then have at it.

They will attack Trump’s credentials as a tribune of the little guy
...
They will fry him for hypocrisy on immigration
...
They will hound him about his unreleased tax returns."

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/anti-donald-trump-ads-opinion-213675

It won't be pretty. They will give it everything they have got. But we know that Trump will bash them back, take them on and take them down.

It's the greatest show on earth, Trump vs the insiders, the people vs the elites, truth vs lies.

It's Trump 2016!

claig · 25/02/2016 17:12

Trump has already hit back at Establishment Romney in true Trump style.

"Mitt Romney, who was one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the history of Republican politics, is now pushing me on tax returns. Dope!"

Trump is hinting he may not release his returns for a couple of months if ever. Well done Trump. The Establishment insiders may have some inside inforation, we don't know. But Trump won't play their game.

claig · 25/02/2016 20:11

Last gasp of the Establishment tonight in the debate where the Establishment candidates must now make their move against Trump because he is hammering in the polls of the people. Debate coverage starts at 8.30 ET on CNN.

Justice Scalia spent his last hours with members of a secret society

"Justice Scalia Died While Vacationing With a Secret Society of Elite Hunters"

nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/scalia-died-during-vacation-with-secret-society.html#

Scalia was part of the 5-4 vote to put a stay on the Environmental Protection Agency carbon regulation. It has to be ruled on by a lower court and if it goes back up to the Supreme Court it will now be 4-4.

Trump against the climate scam, the Pope came out against Trump.

The Establishment have to have a good showing at tonight's debate or Trump will "run the table" and put the people back in charge.

emilybohemia · 25/02/2016 20:27

'I think the last thing the world needs is another bull in a china shop'.

I agree. Or another Hitler.

claig · 25/02/2016 20:30

The world's Establishment class stepping up the pressure on Trump

"Former Mexican President Vicente Fox to Trump: We're "Not Paying For That F*ing Wall"
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"Are you afraid that he’s going to be the next President of the United States?" Ramos asked. "What would that mean for Mexico?”

"No no no, democracy can not take that, crazy people that don't know what is going on in the world today. This worries me, the last caucus in Nevada... he won 44 percent of Hispanics."

"I’d like to know who those Hispanics are, because they are followers of a false prophet," Fox said."

www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/25/former_mexican_president_vicente_fox_to_trump_im_not_paying_for_that_fing_wall.html

Trump is not going to like this talk. Last time a former Mexican President said they weren't paying for the wall, Trump made the wall ten feet higher. Now he will probably make it ten feet wider.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2016 21:07

Interesting Guardian Articlee* analysing why Trump has such a surprising amount of support and also why professional politicians have so have much trouble understanding the phenomenon:
as we've discussed here, it's mainly because a significant section of the public is very angry about jobs & income and just want someone to smash those responsible, on their behalf.

He's expressing their rage against the system, so they don't care that he contradicts himself or lies; they don't even care that he's done a lot of exporting jobs and keeping wages low in his own businesses.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2016 21:11

Really astonishing he received so much Hispanic support after his remarks about "Mexican rapists & drug dealers" and building a wall to keep out Mexican immigrants.
I wonder if Hispanics who've been naturalised and lived in the US a long time are angry about the same things as other Americans.

claig · 25/02/2016 21:24

'I wonder if Hispanics who've been naturalised and lived in the US a long time are angry about the same things as other Americans.'

Yes. And so are African-Americans and women. The left have played an identity politics game where they try to play different groups off against each other but in reality everybody is united against the elite crooks who have wrecked the economy and grown rich at public expense.

Ben Carson is a very good black Presidential candidate, really excellent. He was asked last night in a forum what solution he offers to African-Americans and he said he doesn't change what he says according to which sector of the population he is talking to. Everybody faces the same problems and all the people are united against the Washington insiders who have messed things up.

The Guardian article is right that there is enormous anger at the elites, but what is key about Trump and is not so true about Sanders is that Trump is a fighter an battler who insults the elites and attacks them and the people need those skills in order to see change happen. Anger is not enough, what is required is action and energy which Trump has and which he brilliantly demonstrated that "low energy" Jeb didn't have.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2016 21:59

Well, as a radfem I'd normally be a natural Hilary supporter, but she is so sleazy and so obviously Wall Street's woman that I'm rooting for the Bern.
I would vote for policies, not genitals.

She may help rich women, but her economic and foreign policies are disgraceful, basically neocon with a good PR show.

Bernie would fight for the interests of ordinary Americans, not for the oligarchs & billionaires - I'd expect Trump's interests lie more with the elite. Trump wants lower corporation and income tax - well that mostly helps the rich and big business.

Historically, the US increased prosperity when it had much higher taxes:
Until Reagan, all US governments had a policy of reducing inequality - via a far more progresssive tax system than anything W Europe has seen:

Inheritance tax for the largest fortunes was 70 - 80% for decades.
From 1930 to 1980 income tax for those with highest US income ($1m+ p.a.) averaged 82%.
It had peaks of 91% in the 1940s - 1960s (Roosevelt to Kennedy), and was still about 70% when Reagan was elected in 1980.

Reagan's tax reform of 1986 ended this longterm progressive tax system and lowered income tax for the highest incomes to 28%.

claig · 25/02/2016 22:11

'but her economic and foreign policies are disgraceful, basically neocon with a good PR show'

Yes, I agree.

'Trump wants lower corporation and income tax - well that mostly helps the rich and big business.'

Yes, but that helps businesses to grow and create jobs. Bern and Trump want to help ordinary people, but they can't do it by themselves or by big government. At the end of the day, everything revolves around jobs and for that businesses need to be profitable and grow and Trump will slash taxes which will stop companies leaving the US and which will enable them to grow and invest in new plant etc.

'Historically, the US increased prosperity when it had much higher taxes:'

Not according to the Republicans. As Ben Carson said yesterday, after the US declared independence, in the next 100 years the US became the fastest growing indutrial power on earth and there was no income tax in those days. It was all about business and risk taking etc.

'via a far more progresssive tax system than anything W Europe has seen'

The US has surprisingly high corporation taxes (about 39%). It is quite amazing for a country that we think of as the capitalist country par excellence, when the UK has much lower corporation tax.

I agree with Reagan and I think the economy grew under him. Trump's plan and Cruz and Carson and probably Rubio is to slash taxes but encourage business growth. That will creat more employment and investment and will therefore increase the tax take while simultaneously creating employment and business expansion. It is about increasing incentive and reward which stimulates expansion and growth.

claig · 25/02/2016 22:17

Trump says there is huge waste in government of taxpayer money. He says the political class is in the pockets of the lobbyists and departments spend money on over expensive non-optimal planes and weapons etc purely because the lobbyists control the politicians, when the military often would prefer other products where those companies do not have the money to lobby etc. He says it is teh same in healthcare where the political class is in the pockets of Big Pharma etc.

Trump, not being owned by any lobbyist, is going to shake the whole system up for the benefit of American people and he will slash the deficit by being very tough with foreign countries in deal making etc so the country will be able to afford lower taxation rates which will stimulate growth.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/02/2016 23:03

Claig Few countries had much income tax in the 18th-19th centuries: they didn't need it; no welfare state or large standing armies. Even the UK had a tiny % income tax then, which funded the Navy and the Empire.

The US had a deliberate policy from the early 20th century to reduce gross income equality, because they regarded a large rich-poor gap as something the old class-ridden countries of Europe suffered from.
That policy lasted basically until Reagan.

Those 50 years of high taxation laid the foundation for the American Dream:
when the general population was given access to higher education which led to the great leap in American business, science & engineering; the growth of the most properous and meritocratic middle class the world has seen. There were great infrastructure projects that helped equip the US to become a superpower.

Reagan and his neocon successors in both parties derailed all this and handed over the country to the oligarchs, who proceeded to asset strip the US and ruin the former middle class.
Current generations are angry & frustrated that the American Dream slipped away before they could reach it - they just don't realise that it happened because the very wealthy were allowed to became disengaged from the rest of the population.

AugustaFinkNottle · 26/02/2016 00:23

he will slash the deficit by being very tough with foreign countries in deal making

Not if he has any sense. If he gets too tough with other countries they will simply turn elsewhere, and he will leave them wide open to Chinese and Russian influence, which in turn will leave the US vulnerable.

SlowFJH · 26/02/2016 00:34

Claig
How will Trump enforce the total and complete ban on Muslims entering the country?

claig · 26/02/2016 00:53

'Claig Few countries had much income tax in the 18th-19th centuries: they didn't need it; no welfare state or large standing armies'

Very good point.

'The US had a deliberate policy from the early 20th century to reduce gross income equality'

Was it deliberate or did it happen due to economic success? Socialism and wealth redistribution has not been part of US politics in general.

'Those 50 years of high taxation laid the foundation for the American Dream:'

I think the American Dream was really due to the productive output and manufacturing success of the United States. There was near full employment and lots of manufacturing of cars, televisons (RCA etc), frigidaires etc. If you go back to Henry Ford etc, I don't think that there was high taxation in those days.

'the growth of the most properous and meritocratic middle class the world has seen'

Yes, I think that was due to the high paid jobs in manufacturing. What happened then was the global elite, The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefellers and RINOs (Republicans in Name Only) began their globalisation plan where they came up with the global warming idea and where they began their globalisation game which Thatcher implemented where they closed down manufacturing and coal mining etc in the Western hemisphere and began to invest and move jobs to the Eastern hemisphere where labour was cheaper. The world's eliite (all in it together) began their plan to destroy national sovereignty and implement global power structures which were supranational as they moved to their dream of a one world government run by them.

It was all going swimmingly for them and disastrously for the people until Donald J Trump popped up, called the political class "puppets" who were "bought and paid for" by lobbyists and corporations and who called the elite ruling class "losers". He said he would end their global game and "make America great again" and now the entire world elite is terrified of a Trump victory and Davos are davostated.

'he will slash the deficit by being very tough with foreign countries in deal making

Not if he has any sense. If he gets too tough with other countries they will simply turn elsewhere'

In theory yes, but in practice, they can't because the world is in an economic downturn and China is undergoing an economic slowdown and can'ty provide the market for their goods. America is still a wealthy country and an important market for goods. The world will have to accept that America is number one when Trump gets in and they will have to accept the deals that Trump offers them.

'Claig
How will Trump enforce the total and complete ban on Muslims entering the country?'

I don't think he will. I think that was rhetoric for the election to separate himself from the political class running against him.

claig · 26/02/2016 01:05

The debate starts in 30 minutes. CNN commentatots now saying that the Establishment will come out and hit Trump hard. They have to stop him. Apparently Cruz has "had it, had it" with Trump calling him a liar. They have all been instructed by a desperate ruling elite to stop Trump.

They will probably have the audience packed with their stooges cheering on their poppets but the millions watching on TV world will all be cheering Trump on.

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