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is it really possible that Donald trump could be president?????

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Bishopsbuddy · 10/02/2016 18:13

I have zero understanding of American politics and wondered could some one give me an idiots explanation pls. Could trump really win???

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claig · 17/02/2016 14:06

The Trump interview on Fox is already up on youtube.

This shows Trump's courage, and it is that courage that has made him the Republican race leader.

GruntledOne · 17/02/2016 16:06

'Yet another lie? '

No, we all know Trump is joking.

This is one of those reverse declensions, isn't it? I commit fraud, you lie, he jokes.

var123 · 17/02/2016 17:56

.....the American people like a fighter who tells the truth and socks it to them

why would you say that when you have spent half the thread enjoying the fact that he obviously lies whenever convenient? e.g. over the Aberdeen golf course.

claig · 17/02/2016 18:50

var123, I have been trying to explain why Trump is so, so far in the lead among Republican voters - by far, and it is because they think "he tells it like it is" and he is not politically correct which is the same thing because that means he tells the truth and not lies.

Everybody knows he exaggerates on minor issues, and that is considered "a joke" which makes him funny, but on substantial issues he is prepared to tell the truth and say what no politician would ever dare say. That is why he is so far in the lead and that is why he will win by a landslide. And it takes immense courage to do what he does and he has that courage because he is "not bought and paid for" and is a successful billionaire who is above the bought and paid for puppets who climb the greasy pole of politics doing the bidding of donors who own them.

You obviously don't like him so you think that when he tells the truth about George W Bush or Iraq or Syria or Isis or Putin, that he is lying. That is what the Establishment politicians say of him, but is not what the majority of Republican voters think of him.

And he is not able to tell the full unadulterated truth yet because it would shock the American people, but as the election nears I expect he will tell more and more of it and if he wins then all bets are off. He said today in a townhall meeting to the Trumpites

"you wil find out what happened"

about 911.

var123 · 17/02/2016 18:56

I can't wait.

Actually that's a lie.... I have no interest in yet another "theory" so i can wait forever and a day and still not feel any curiosity to hear Trump's lies on this one.

GruntledOne · 17/02/2016 19:00

it is because they think "he tells it like it is" and he is not politically correct which is the same thing because that means he tells the truth and not lies.

You do know that that is a total non-sequitur, don't you?

And it's quite sad that you admit that his follows like him because they think he tells the truth when you are constantly telling us that he doesn't. You seem to think that the PC stuff is a major issue, yet you've accepted that he lied about that.

Lweji · 17/02/2016 19:03

I'd only like to see you come out of all those knots you're tying yourself in, claig.

claig · 17/02/2016 19:04

'I have no interest in yet another "theory"'

Don't you understand that he is hinting that he will probably open up the redacted 28 pages. He knows what is in them, he has been told.

Cheney was on Fox the night before last and a very fast talking Rove with yellow sticky paper notes in former CIA director George Tenet's book reading out a passage to refute what Trump had said.

Whether you are interested or not, watch Trump because he is shaking up everything and taking it down.

"Trump didn't invent the anti-establishment movement in South Carolina. It has been there, waiting for him, for at least four years. But, he is the sort of candidate -- not only anti-establishment but willing to take on/down the establishment in the harshest terms"

claig · 17/02/2016 19:09

'they think he tells the truth when you are constantly telling us that he doesn't. You seem to think that the PC stuff is a major issue, yet you've accepted that he lied about that.'

I am a Trumpite, I like him because he has the courage to tell the truth. He exaggerates about minor, funny issues. I don't consider that lying.

'You seem to think that the PC stuff is a major issue'

All real conservatives do and that is why Trump gets huge crowds at rallies and why he leads all of the experienced establishment politicians on the Republican side by 20 points.

'yet you've accepted that he lied about that.''

He didn't lie. He said he will "be the most politically correct person ever" and Trumpites find that funny because we know that Trump doesn't have a politically correct bone in his body and is only saying that to fool the Establishment media.

claig · 17/02/2016 19:18

Have you not seen Trump tear strips off Senators who are Republicans in his own party? Have you not heard him tear into Senator Lindsey Graham and Jeb and a whole lot more?

This is not politics as we are used to, this is not Cameron, it is Trump, this is not Oxbridge, it is Manhattan. Only in America, only Trump.

Lauar Ingraham, a brilliant real conservative commenator, said on Fox that Trump is obviously carrying out the first scene in the Godfather where he takes out all the other families - where he goes all out on Bush, globalism etc etc

It is amazing, no other political figure of such high profile has ever done anything like it ever before.

It's the greatest show on earth. It's Trump 2016!

claig · 17/02/2016 19:26

Bishopsbuddy was exactly right when she said

"Bearing in mind my ignorance of politics.

Could it be possible that Trymp is a front for a group of other politicians."

But it is not "politicians" because as Trump keeps repeating they are only puppets and are "all talk no action".

Trump is backed and he is in a huge struggle to win, and everytime he mentions 911 and WTC it is a message.

SenecaFalls · 18/02/2016 00:03

News Flash

The latest national poll released today shows Ted Cruz to be the new front runner for the Republican nomination. As the field narrows so does Trump's chance of winning. Of course, as a Democrat, I see Cruz as little improvement over Trump.

claig · 18/02/2016 00:18

Seneca, that poll is an outlier. Quinnepiac has Trump about 20 points ahead nationally.

claig · 18/02/2016 00:59

Obama not going to Scalia's funeral.

Lweji · 18/02/2016 01:23

I saw two polls released today. In neither Trump gets a clear lead of over 40. He's at risk of ending up losing 60-40.

Mistigri · 18/02/2016 05:45

35-40% is plenty if your two closest rivals can't get over 30%

I think there are only two possible outcomes to the nomination race now. Either it remains a multi-candidate field and Trump wins with about 35% of the vote. Or the other candidates drop out rapidly and Rubio gets the nod.

Want2bSupermum · 18/02/2016 06:00

I think it's too early to say who is the front runner. Trump has done well so far and polls are just not accurate as plenty of politicians can tell you (Newt G anyone?).

I think it will be interesting to see where Rubio and Kasich come out. I just don't see Cruz winning the nomination.

sportinguista · 18/02/2016 06:21

Has anybody seen the Trump movie p*take starring Johnny Depp? It's called the'Art of the Deal'. It's done as an 80s self bio complete with cheesy music. It's very funny.

Although Trump has done well so far, I personally can't see him winning the nomination in the end. I think he will come close but not quite enough.

Lweji · 18/02/2016 07:56

I do think it will end up being Trump against one other candidate.
Can the Republican nomination be won on less than 50%. I thought it would have to be voted in the end between the two most voted candidates.

Lweji · 18/02/2016 07:58

I've seem the JD clip. I posted the link for it in one of these threads.
JD's best performance in years. Wink

claig · 18/02/2016 08:34

The Johnny Depp film is very funny "sue them, sue them"

The Establishment can't beat Trump in a head to head. Their only hope now is that Trump fails to get the required number of delegates according to the rules which were rewritten by Romney last time in order to stop insurgents.
Under these rules, Trump has to get over 50% of the vote in 8 states. With the number of Establishment candidates running against him, he may not make that threshold. It suits the Establishment to keep funding no-hoper candidates to split the vote and prevent Trump getting the 50%. If that happens, it will go to a "contested convention" where the Establishment backroom wrangling will mean that delegates choose anyone but Trump.

Trump has to start taking over 50%. The people are with him, the Establishment are against him.

Lweji · 18/02/2016 08:40

It makes sense to me. It would be idiotic to have a nominee that was voted only for a third of the electorate.

And by the way, it would be interesting if that was the case for constituencies in the UK, where people would vote for their preferred candidate and their second choice, which would be used in case a candidate didn't have a clear 50% majority.

Mistigri · 18/02/2016 08:45

I believe that if Trump gets less than an absolute majority of the delegates, then the nomination isn't a shoe-in, it comes down to where delegates place their votes at the republican convention later this year (and a marmite candidate like Trump cant count on being many people's second choice).

So he can win the highest percentage of delegates but still lose out.

Everyone hates Cruz so can't see him as the consensus candidate. That leaves Rubio as being the least bad choice for the republicans, although he's not massively popular nor a particularly good candidate.

claig · 18/02/2016 08:48

Most commentators do not think there will be a "contested convention" and most commentators now accept that Trump will be the nominee. But Rubio, the Establishment's hope (recently backed by the politically correct South Carolina Governor, Nikki Haley), brought up the "contested convention" recently. You can never underestimate the Establishment, they have wads of cash to pay for wonks and teenage whizzkids who are plotting and scheming for their teaam.

"The game is rigged, even for the Donald: How the GOP can block his nomination

The powers that be in the RNC will make sure an establishment candidate wins the primary one way or another
...
Until the March 15 primaries—when Florida, Ohio and Illinois vote—all delegates are allocated via some version of proportional representation. That means the winners above various thresholds (say 10 percent, 15 percent) get most or some of that state’s delegates. The GOP field may see some candidates drop out, but it is likely that a half-dozen or more will keep going—as many have billionaires backing them. Thus, nobody is going to be ahead by much—especially if today’s polling numbers more or less hold firm.

Then, come March 15 and afterward, the final stretch begins. It is here where many states have not yet finalized their delegate allocation plans. The question is whether the RNC could stop a Trump juggernaut by pushing more states into the winner-take-all column or proportional representation column. Right now Florida is one of six winner-take-all states, which Bush is counting on to boost his candidacy after what is expected to be a lackluster start in the earlier contests."

www.salon.com/2015/09/20/how_gop_party_bosses_will_rig_the_system_to_keep_trump_from_winning_partner/

Mistigri · 18/02/2016 09:18

Do most commentators think he's going to win? That's not how I read it.

The bookies, whose business depends on getting this stuff right, reckon it's about 50:50.

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