Cologne Sexual Assaults IX and David Davies Web Chat

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On New Year's Eve women in Cologne were amongst those who were sexually assaulted and robbed in mass attacks.
This is a link to the last thread which has links to all the others.

Some of us have begun a petition asking the government to uphold women's rights and freedoms:

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We also hope that tomorrow, Monday 8th February, David TC Davies MP will be on MN for a web chat between 1pm and 2pm - it should be a sticky on either Chat or In The News. David was one of the few MPs who has shown any interest in this whole issue and who has responded sympathetically to those of us concerned about women's rights in a changing world.

All the muslim parents at DS school attend the nativity play which is held in the local church due to the school expanding and space issues in the hall. Nobody seems to have an issue with it. Not sure about the Imams though although there might even be one amongst the parents, I wouldn't know.

Didn't realise TM was visiting a mosque in which case she was correct. There is no obligation to veil outside, a few of the ladies I know don't, but do often put a light veil on for mosque. I always had to remind DS to take off his sunhat when we were visiting churches on holiday!

A wonderful example of leftists 'logic' here. Rape and torture gangs operating in the UK. Honour-based violence, forced marriage of children to old perverts, Justification for violence against gays, apostates, and rape conveyed in the Mosques. Forced veiling, female subjugation. And in the ME, beheading, stonings, amputations and FGM, this all goes by without a remark or even a raised eyebrow from emily. Yet my choice of words? Now that's really intolerable!

Lightstep That's very interesting and of course TM was not in a place of worship in this picture. Also what about the British tradition of courtesy - gentlemen removing their hats when speaking to a lady? A laughably antiquated tradition, of course!

You claim to hate all those things that hurt women, while talking about a woman 'whoring' herself out because she tried to be inclusive of Muslims. Yes, your language is very significant and speaks volumes about what you think of women.

Supersoft, did you hear something? No, probably only the wind then.

There should be of course a respect and courtesy towards both sides etiquette. I would not expect it all to be one sided.

I've used the term 'corporate whoring' to describe those selling themselves at any price to big business, nothing to do with sex or women. Context is all.

I saw a report of one of the Cologne women who was raped, had to have a termination, she fell pregnant after the attacks, she could not be sure it was her attackers as she was in a relationship but equally she couldn't be sure it wasn't. What a horrible and traumatic thing to have to go through, she was still in her teens too I think.

Are you saying supersoft's posts are partially to blame for rape, subjugation, misogyny and terrorist attacks emily? This is a thread about immigrant rapists and you're saying women are partly to blame? Have a word with yourself and pop off back to your own thread. I do believe HQ told you to stay away from this thread.

The post was clearly hateful toward women and derisive toward Muslims. Comments like that stir up hate towards women and Muslims. That is clear. Why make excuses for them? The comment was totally misogynistic and scornful to women and Muslims. How does that solve anything?

You don't? Oh dear, well I'll try my best to live with that. Just as you can pretend the other stuff isn't happening.

I never said anything about it not happening. I talked about the language you chose to use. What is useful to the debate about saying TMay was 'whoring' herself out for the Muslim vote? Don't you think you sound scornful toward Muslims when you say that? Words have power. Will being scornful toward Muslims stop tbe awful stuff happening?

It was a simple statement of fact, political strategy, that is all. This particular strategy has been at play for quite some time. Stop looking for offence where there is none.

Perceived hatred towards muslims is an obsession for you. I don't see any concern about the Islamists hatred of westerners, in particular western women. Whether or not you think a poster is racist, and i still don't think you understand that word, they are not the ones words going on murderous rampages or raping children. Who is doing the real damage here? Not once have you shown any concern for the victims of these people.

This is what hatred towards a woman looks like, when you can do this to your own sister:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36858317

You didn't write it, partial, how do you know the intention behind the words? What I have or haven't written on here is irrelevant to my point which is that it was a hateful and deliberately divisive phrase that had nothing to do with fair or balanced discussion.

I feel passionately about stopping divisions and hatred being stirred up and will do what I can to stop it in my own small way. Words have power and dangerous rhetoric is now in the mainstream. I will challenge it. Personally attack me if you wish to or try to drive me off the thread, but I have every right to challenge those words.

I feel politicians whore for the vote of big business, they are in thrall to it.

I also feel politicians whore for the vote of the super rich, the powerful those who dodge tax.

They have many different political strategies.

It is just a way of expressing that.

I felt the reason Theresa May's first speech went down so well was because she was whoring to the electrate. Humouring us and making us feel special and cared for. She is good at appeasing when she's in the mind to.

They all are Inkanta, it's what they trained in after all, good marketing really!

So you care about hatred towards women now emily? Never noticed you caring before, over 9 of these threads which are about a group of 2000 men whose hatred of women is such that they feel entitled to assault and rape them in public. I've seen you defend these men.

What do you think about women in european cities being told to cover up or change their behaviour so they aren't raped? About a man in a position of authority comparing women to pieces of uncovered meat? Do you want to do anything to stop that?

This thread is so depressing. Such a massively important subject - the rights of women to live safe and equal lives - all women. Equality and respect should be head and shoulders in importance above religion.

And yet, the thread is derailed by apologists. Shame on you.

I feel passionately about stopping divisions and hatred being stirred up Indeed? It seems though that FGM, female subjugation, honour based violence, child marriage, rape gangs, etc, this all can go by without really stirring up these passions of yours at all emily. My use of the term 'Vote whoring' to describe the practice of politicians pandering for minority votes however? This does?

I must thank you for providing us with a truly beautiful example of leftist logic..

It's bizarre to insist that Emily calling you out for hate speech in your mind means that she approves of FGM, rape or misogyny.

I never defended the men, We must. I defended refugees and Muslims being tarred with the same brush. You can care about Muslims and refugees AND women who are attacked AND care about the spread of fear and suspicion which will do nothing but bring about a circle of hate. If that makes me an 'apologist', fine.

Supersoft, you used the term 'whoring for the Muslim vote.' When I see that phrase in full it stinks to high heaven. 'The Muslim vote', like they're one mass with the same characteristics.

No, the things you mention don't go by at all. I am an abuse survivor.However, I spot when people stir up divisions and hatreds under the guise of claiming to want to solve a problem.

If what you said was so innocent, then you can so. I can disagree. Dragging what I may have said or not said about various issues is irrelevant to what YOU said.

Three teenage girls were sexually assaulted by a 'gang of 40' at a football tournament in Sweden: Taharrush gamea introduced to Gothia Cup