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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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vladimirsoftless · 07/02/2016 13:06

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

Please take a look and and sign:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385

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Pangurban1 · 16/03/2016 17:57

Well pigs eat anything, so probably more niffy than horse manure. It is not really the animal, more equating someone to a piece of excrement.

It is just that people get deleted for personal attacks, theoretically. How more can a personal attack get than directly calling someone as thick as pigshit. That is not even tying something up in an argument. What else would you need to say to call it a personal attack.

Maybe it is like those mass attacks in Cologne. Depends on who is doing the attacking and who is attacked and the powers that be don't let on they see hide nor hair of it.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 17:58

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LumelaMme · 16/03/2016 18:03

emily, can you please stop derailing the thread?
You have no idea what glock does or does not do.

VertigoNun · 16/03/2016 18:03

What's wrong with digging a hole if physically able for someone to place their excrement? It's not as if someone has their trousers poised ready to go mid dig. It's just digging a hole.

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 16/03/2016 18:09

"Maybe they refused to react, tried to suppress reporting of it and in doing all this attempted to deny the attacked women justice because the attackers were mostly not German and not women and this trumps women's rights sad"

This is it. I think it was in this thread that someone mentioned "victim stacking"?Women are at the bottom of the stack, simple as that.

I find it hard to imagine the same response (or lack of) if hundredsof gay men or transgender people had been attacked en masse over the course of one evening.

AticAtac · 16/03/2016 18:29

This thread has a lot of parallels with the 'men in women's safe spaces' thread. I am getting mightily pissed off and concerned about the speed at which women's rights are being eroded. We should all be angry about this.
Incidentally, there were attempts to close down discussion on that thread with cries of 'bigot'. Ring any bells?
It's amazing how many people want to shut us women up.

MariscallRoad · 16/03/2016 18:48

WeMustSurelyBeLearning you mean an aggraved offence? I dont know the German Laws on sex offenses suppose they are different than ours. We have provisions in our own.

MariscallRoad · 16/03/2016 19:03

Regards our Sexual Offences Act 2003, the CPS has some guidelines on 'Consent' I think it is good to try and get a brief summary of the Act trying to read about it. www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/rape_and_sexual_offences/consent/
I a not a Lawyer.
'The Act sets out the offences requiring the prosecution to prove absence of consent at sections 1-4. They are: rape; assault by penetration; sexual assault; and causing a person to engage in sexual activity.'
In relation to these offences a person (A) is guilty of an offence if she/he:
acts intentionally,
(B) does not consent to the act, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents.'

'Statutory definition of consent'
Section 74 defines consent as 'if he agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice'. Prosecutors should consider this in two stages.

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YetAnotherHelenMumsnet · 16/03/2016 19:11

Evening all,
this thread has been reported again, and of course its previous iterations have required a huge amount of moderation as well. No one comes out well when they descend into bunfights, so from this point onwards we are going to have to ask that you all stick to the talk guidelines and keep it civil, or we will be forced to delete this thread.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 19:31

Do you think pointing out racism and xenophobia is 'a bunfight' Helen? Mumsnet seems to be trying to claim the nasty views in these threads can be equated with polite civilised discussion and denying the fact that some very nasty people have crawled out of the woodwork and onto Mumsnet. Any word on how you will be addressing the increasing prescence of the far right on Mumsnet? Equating a few posts of mine with their level of bile doesn't cut it for me.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 19:36

Educate yourselves on fascism and the far right mumsnet. You really need to because you are becoming a propaganda platform for them.

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 16/03/2016 19:37

If you have a problem with this thread then you can PM the moderator directly I'm sure, rather than name calling and dragging it off topic. yet.again.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 19:45

HQ, I'm a bit bemused why you have removed my comment on glock attacking volounteers from the comfort of her own living room too, Mumsnet. That is exactly what she was doing. Yet you have left a comment up that states I am guilty by association for the deaths of refugees.

Kowtowing and pussyfooting around the far right so long as they do it politely it seems? I find it quite sickening. You seem to have no interest in properly monitoring threads riddled with nasty far right crap. I am sickened by this.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 19:48

If you are deleting my comments calling out the far right,xenophobia and racism then that is pure cowardice HQ, which I hope will be noted by those reading the thread and visiting this site. They are not personal attacks, it is the truth.

DG2016 · 16/03/2016 19:51

They are difficult issues to moderate. I am pro immigration and politically right. I pointed out the blonde agent provocateurs forcing people to their deaths across the river who might well have been misled by those same people - we just don't know. There will obviously also be volunteers who are also well meaning but they are not simple issues.

There is also huge support for UKIP who had more votes than generated the SNP's 50 seats. I don't support UKIP but it is not full of far right people. It tends to be the white working class who are a bit disaffected and plenty of those post on mumsnet. I think we can all listen to the views of each other and should not be silenced just because someone takes a different view on an issue. We can all do it politely and mostly we all do.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 19:52

'emily you seen very angry and hurt today - do you personally know some of the volunteers involved ? (It might be normal to feel a little bit guilty by association)'

LumelaMme · 16/03/2016 19:53

Please stop derailing the thread. And please stop being rude to MNHQ on the thread, or you will get it deleted. Is that what you want?

RufusTheReindeer · 16/03/2016 19:56

lumela

That will be a great shame if it happens

wholecanofbeans · 16/03/2016 20:04

This is a forum where women can discuss matters important to women. The attacks in Cologne, why they happened and how they can be prevented from happening in future is important to all of us. Please let this thread stand MN. We can't have another one be deleted.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 20:06

None of the Cologne threads have been deleted wholecan so I don't know what youre talking about.

emilybohemia · 16/03/2016 20:08

'I pointed out the blonde agent provocateurs forcing people to their deaths across the river who might well have been misled by those same people - we just don't know.'

Another hateful comment.

JoMackl · 16/03/2016 20:13

Emily, the fact that you, personally, find something "hateful" is not the same as hate speech, which has a technical definition in UK law. Also in UK law we have something called freedom of speech which includes the right to offend. Please, for the sake of everyone learning from and sharing on these threads, stop trying to close that down. It is the very thing we are concerned to protect.

Moreshabbythanchic · 16/03/2016 20:15

Emily, if you have nothing to say about the safety of women in light of the Cologne sexual attacks and just want to talk about refugees then why don't you start a thread about that and leave us to discuss what the title suggests.

SpringingIntoAction · 16/03/2016 20:16

I don't want large amounts of migrants from MENA countries to come to Europe. I am not 'far right', just concerned that the culture in which I have brought up my children will be irrevocably changed, for the worse, by the arrival of men with a lack of understanding of our social norms.

I watched that horrific video of the river crossing thinking 'These people come from arid Middle Eastern countries and probably have little knowledge about the dangers of rivers, especially fast-flowing rivers in spate, like that Macedonian river.
Rather than standing in the rover playing an active role in encouraging the migrants to cross, those volunteer activists should have been using that rope to rope off the river bank and explain the dangers.

If these activists insist on placing themselves in a position of trust with regards to the migrants, then they also owe them a duty of care. Yesterday's performance was a dereliction of that duty and 3 people lost their lives. They should be ashamed.