Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385

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Emily is trying her best to get this thread deleted after finally realising her attempts to silence discussion aren't working.

emily

"Deleting my posts calling posters racist and xenophobic doesn't change the fact that these Cologne threads are nasty, vile, xenopobic, bigoted, hateful and prejudiced and HQ and Mumsnet is tolerating this whilst allowing these posters to shut down debate from anyone showing sympathy for refugees."

Fact 1: MN has allowed you to derail nine threads on the subject of women's safety as you attempt to shut down legitimate debate.

Fact 2: When that failed, MN allowed you to spam the site with multiple simultaneous threads on your favourite subject, and deleted many posts contradicting you with facts.

Fact 3: You failed completely again because almost no one else agrees with you, and now that you can't have your own way in everything, you're throwing your toys out of the pram with still more derailing and personal abuse.

Fact 4: You don't know the difference between refugees and economic migrants, as set out by the UNHCR. This makes rational debate with you almost impossible.

'the virtue-signalers would rather drown people than dig latrines and would rather teach children to count than stop them being raped'

This comment from AgainsttheGlock is vile.

'Opening the doors to an army of rapists is madness and in the same vein as Castro threatening to unlock the prison gates'

This one is hate speech, again from Againsttheglock, akin to propaganda against Jews from WW2.. Mumsnet, you are ALLOWING HATE SPEECH. Refugees and vulnerable people are not an army nor an army of rapists. Why is noone monitoring these threads?

Agree with WeMust, we should get back to the discussion in hand. She's figured out we're not getting lured by her attempts at derailment and she's trying the new tactic of goading us to the point of personal attacks and thus get the thread closed down.

We should stick our fingers in our ears and not engage any further. It is pointless anyway, there'll be no coherent debate from that corner. Let's continue with the subject matter, the main point here is women's rights and not Idomeni or No Borders psychopaths.

That is not against refugees it's against the people who fabricated leaflets and contributed to death and misery on the Macedonia Greek border.

I agree Izlet, although its very difficult not to engage when your words are being twisted and we are deliberately goaded into posting. I wont respond to it anymore.

Sorry I have a severe dyslexia and as result visual stress, I misplaced my glasses. I feel as some posters miss atendance ? I felt a bit of a break with a feminist voice of the past
Billie Holiday - Ain't Misbehavin'

I know Moreshabby, but we need to treat her as the friend you who has left you off a group invitation (subject of many threads here ) and rise above it, thus retaining the moral high ground .

www.rt.com/news/335814-german-rape-law-cologne/
'You no longer have to fight attacker to prove rape: Germany updates law in wake of NYE assaults'

www.zeit.de/news/2016-03/16/kabinett-kabinett-beraet-ueber-reform-des-sexualstrafrechts-16053403 -needs Google translate

Right we don't want this thread deleted - so we need to calm down...
emily you seen very angry and hurt today - do you personally know some of the volunteers involved ? (It might be normal to feel a little bit guilty by association)

They could have done more to stop the movement ...the fliers, someone supplied that rope used to cross - in fact cutting the rope into foot length pieces would have been the kindest thing to do - but most of the volunteers seem quite young and naive so maybe didn't have the presence of mind and thought they were doing the right thing.
In fact part of me thinks the person who made the fliers thought they were being clever and kind - doing the right thing and it may well have gone out of their control -
But in fact a bit of grown up intelligent rational thought and debate before would have prevented those deaths.
I'm sure a lot of them think they are doing the right thing. Again it comes back to thinking with your head and not your heart.

People questioning you on how many you think is a valid argument...because that is one of the difficult questions. When do you say enough? When can you say enough? (And the sorely economic migrants coming along will just reduce the spaces for the genuine refugees)
We have to try and stop people getting on the boats in the first place - by helping people once they have been on those boats you are encouraging more people to get on the boats and more people to drown (or die in the deserts) and funding more crime.
If you really want to provide humanitarian aid it has to be in the camps surrounding Syria...set up the schools, food kitchens and entertainment there ...not once people have spent thousands and risked their lives.

I don't understand why "digging latrines" is not the responsibility of the volunteers? Surely one of the fundamental principles of charity, or as I like to call it; humanity - is doing what needs to be done to help others.

When I see someone in the street who is hungry, I give them food. When I see someone sitting in a tent with no sanitary provisions I dig a hole.

Do Medcins sans Frontieres say "don't see what vaccinations have to do with us guv!"? No, of course not - that would be utterly absurd and would fly in the face of everything they profess to care about.

"Verbal refusal to have intercourse should be enough reason to prosecute, according to the minister, because a victim shouldn’t have to wait to be attacked and be caused physical harm."

Thanks Mariscall. What if they are unable to give verbal refusal though? If they are unconscious or otherwise incapacitated?

www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-03-16/germany-to-reform-rape-law-to-help-victims-file-complaints
The German government has agreed to reform the country's law on sexual crimes to improve victims' ability to file complaints against their attackers

'I don't understand why "digging latrines" is not the responsibility of the volunteers? Surely one of the fundamental principles of charity, or as I like to call it; humanity - is doing what needs to be done to help others'.

You think the volounteers can do everything don't you glock, that they can control masses of people and implement a complete sewage system as well as feeding them all from their own pocket and averting a humanitarian disaster? Not the responsibility of major NGOs or governments eh?

It's good that a start has been made towards improving services to facilitate dealing with sexual abusers.

The 'volunteers' (read NB activists) are facilitating the illegal immigration into those nations but then demand that the respective govts then take responsibility for them.

You really do want it both ways.

"nasty, vile, xenopobic, bigoted, hateful and prejudiced and HQ and Mumsnet is tolerating this whilst allowing these posters to shut down debate"

Oh dear. Your words weren't deleted, so must be deemed fine and dandy.

Don't talk about yourself like that, Emily.

Replace xenophobic with the equally disgusting misogynistic and insert racist (based on sex) and you could possibly apply all that to the mass attackers (and the attitudes of police who didn't call reinforcements to stop the attackers and the media and politicians who suppressed and minimised - or lied, it was a peaceful night, police report! - the vile attacks against the women) in Cologne on that night.

Oh yeah and all the fellow travellers who say tweren't nothing. These mass attacks are not important. Other people are much more important than those women.

Maybe people who don't believe the women in Cologne are racist and afraid of Germans? :(

Not my phraseology, you understand, but adopted from another poster's. I haven't ever called anyone 'thick as pigshit', but there are a few people I have come across who it might apply to. I don't think I have ever seen anyone call anyone else as thick as pigshit before. It is particularly crude and venomous.
Obviously not deemed a personal attack, either. Interesting.

I don't understand why "digging latrines" is not the responsibility of the volunteers?

I wouldn't say it's their responsibility exactly - after all there's only so much a seemingly small number of folk can do - but perhaps volunteers could do more to help with this kind of thing?

Maybe, though, it wouldn't satisfy them as much as handing a baby over a river in glorious technicolour, or have so much appeal on FB?

What's so special about pig excrement?

Interestingly - pigs will cannibalise when it becomes survival of the fittest.

Orwell had an interesting view on pigs.

Puzzled - you're quite right, there's nothing glamorous about rolling your sleeves up and getting hard to it with a shovel to dig a hole for someone to shit in. Not dropping a baby in a fast-flowing river - oooh you're a hero. Dishing out sanitary protection = "not in our job description", writing emotive blog posts = St. Peter at the Pearly Gates... if you are of that persuasion.

Casting my mind back half a century I can't remember the names of the dads who dug the holes in the ground at Pony Club Camp - but I can remember all the instructors and pony names.

People weren't attacked because they were German. They were attacked because they were women. Women were targeted and attacked by mass groups of men and the police and media tried to suppress and cover up the attacks and the fact it was a new style of attack in Europe which threatens Women feeling safe in public and indeed now the notion that they would be protected by the authorities and these type of attackers even acknowledged to have happened. Never mind arresting and prosecuting the perpetrators. Maybe the authorities thought it could be hushed up because it was only women. I don't know if attacks based on other attributes of the victims are minimised or suppressed in the media and by the police.

Maybe they refused to react, tried to suppress reporting of it and in doing all this attempted to deny the attacked women justice because the attackers were mostly not German and not women and this trumps women's rights