Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Let the debate continue.....

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jacqueline-sauvage-francois-hollande-considers-pardon-for-woman-convicted-of-murdering-abusive-a6842656.html

That is of interest.

www.theguardian.com/money/2016/feb/01/landlords-do-not-understand-rules-immigration-checks-association?CMP=share_btn_tw

IMO housing is a need.

I did however see an article recently where an HA had been using prisoners as workmen.

When asked about this they said it was only on empty properties. Are they qualified? Are they insured?

I dont think its housing the people mentioned in the article that some landlords and HAs are going to be doing. I can see them using them as cheap labour.

The media, when reporting the grooming gangs will describe the men as asian. They usually say the men were targeting white girls/women. The truth is they target other girls/women as well. There's a documentary on the targeting of Sikh girls . It's hard for Sikh and Hindu victims to get the support they need. Police don't seem to be doing enough. The reason I'm posting this is the Sikh/Hindu groups want these crimes to be recognised as hate crimes. I think that's a good thing.

Sikh And Hindu Groups Warn Of Cologne Style Sex Attack, Tell Government To Learn From Rotherham
Some or the largest Hindu and Sikh organisations in Britain have warned of Cologne-style “mass, planned rape and sexual assault”, urging the British government to learn lessons from Rotherham and crack down on Muslim violence against white and Asian non-Muslim women.

In a joint statement, the Hindu Council UK (HCUK), the largest Hindu umbrella body in the country, the Sikh Awareness Society, a leading independent Sikh advisory board, and The Sikh Media Monitoring Group have called for the British government to recognise “the targeting of non-Muslim women” as a specific “hate crime”.

To this day, every major news outlet in the UK has refused to describe the rape gangs as Muslim-orientated in headlines. Asian Voice, a news website for British Asians, explained why this and Cologne is so alarming for non-Muslim British Asians.

“The sexual grooming scandals of non Muslim women by Muslim men (often incorrectly mentioned as plain Asians) have ripped through Britain. It has been an example of gross injustice towards the minorities, especially by authorities, who feared the risk of being labelled as ‘Islamophobic’.”

Adding: “Lessons can be learnt from Britain, where we saw a cowardly reaction from the political elite following several high profile sexual grooming cases of gangs of mainly young, Pakistani males involved in the rape, abuse and trafficking of young white girls in various cities up and down the country.

“These gangs have also targeted Sikh and Hindu girls.

“We request the Government to recognise that the targeting of non-Muslim women is a specific problem that exists in the UK and to treat it just as seriously as any other hate crime.”

The joint statement was signed by Lord Indarjit Singh of Wimbledon, of the Network of Sikh Organisations, Anil Bhanot, of The Hindu Council UK, Mohan Singh Khalsa, of The Sikh Awareness Society, and Ashish Joshi, of The Sikh Media Monitoring Group UK.

Wow! I genuinely had no idea that Sikh and Hindu women were at risk too.

January - interesting that you've used the word fascist - I used to once to explain that the far right and far left have a common agenda - omg the fury!

And, like fourmummuy, I'd love to know what the real agenda is because I too can only see doublespeak, silencing, double standards and outright lies (the appalling Guardian claim last wee the there had been 100 incidences in Cologne, not almost 1,000; the Phillips claim that is was the same as the heckling you get in Birmingham).

But the sole response to any questions is an automatic 'you're all hateful racists and anyway what about and how dare you use those words about migrants and of course every single one is traumatised and vulnerable and in grave danger from the asylum and shelter-offering French etc.

The same conversations are happening across Europe now and the mood is changing.

We need to keep this debate going and show the moderates that it is not a thought crime to question immigration policy.

This week is the start of the Cologne festival , looking for information about it , it seems it starts on the 4th with Women's Day (quite ironic). I am interested as to how the media and the police deal with this .

'I'd love to know what the real agenda is because I too can only see doublespeak, silencing, double standards and outright lies (the appalling Guardian claim last wee the there had been 100 incidences in Cologne, not almost 1,000; the Phillips claim that is was the same as the heckling you get in Birmingham).'

I'd like to know too!

What are they defending against??

It's not the "Cologne festival" it's carnival (which actually starts with the waking of the Hoppediz on 11th November). The high season is indeed starting with Weiberfastnacht ("women's carnival"), and Rosenmontag being the biggest for parades. Plenty of drinking, partying, and undoubtedly groping/assaults.

A German grandfather told his Mayor that refugee children were harassing his granddaughter on her way to school. The Mayor said to not provoke them and take another route.

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I was shocked too. The media have been pushing it as asian men targeting white girls. They'd rather turn it into a race issue than mention the gangs were Muslim. Really irresponsible and dishonest of them.

The letter from the Sikh and Hindu leaders after Cologne received little exposure.

The documentary is heartbreaking, I am impressed by the lead taken by the community leaders in facing taboo subjects.

The issue of the code of honour adds another layer of stigma and those leaders are brave to attempt public discussion.

DeeEm thank you for that link.

Fish ….. 'Completely open borders are inevitable,' predicts Labour's John McDonnell. Shadow chancellor said global movements would make borders irrelevant. McDonnell said poverty and climate change would drive migration. He claimed totally open borders 'would occur' by the end of the century.'

McDonnell, Corbyn and Livingstone (and Galloway) are communists and always have been. Early on they had to find a vehicle to take them into politics and keep them there, and the obvious choice was the Labour Party. They have allied themselves to the immigrant minority communities, especially Muslim. They are using the high immigration of peoples from ME-NA countries to irreparably change the UK as we know it. In my high st the Communist Party sometimes sets out a table with their leaflets. One Saturday I tried to speak to one of the men, as did a Sikh gentlemen next to me. I said to him that there might come a time when I as a woman unrelated to him would not be allowed to speak to him in public if, for example, Sharia law was brought in. He replied (and this goes to the root of their position) that if Islam becomes the dominant culture in this country then so be it. I said but what about women’s rights that your Party is always banging on about? He just shrugged. The Sikh got no sense out of him either.

I have spoken to a Communist that I know, and she says that that is part of the credo - equality for all, sharing the wealth, even at the expense of a host nation. My point is the communists snear at religion, especially, CoE and Catholic, but vociferously support Muslims and never criticise their misogynistic beliefs, their hostility to others and treatment of women. How evenhanded is that, Mr Corbyn?

There was an article in the telegraph yesterday about some "high profile racial abuse" cases actually being deliberately ignited to push an agenda of Isis-supporting groups. I will try and get the link.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12132054/Organised-campaign-to-hobble-anti-terror-fight.html

Tormentil - Thank you for posting such a brilliant vid. It says exactly what I don't have words to say.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZESdMIaa6Sg

One of the examples the presenter gives is about Greenwald, a gay, Jewish American who is an apologist for orthodox Islam, knowing full well that he would be executed by them! He supports free speech (what a guy!) even hateful speech of Islamists, but ....... listen to this ...... not Donald Trump's free speech.

I have met SO many people like this guy, and it strikes me that they are so stuck on an ideology of their own even if it's at the risk of personal annihilation.

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I am surprised the Hindu and Sikh statements haven't been published in the press. It's good to know despite the poor reporting in some press that women have some support.

Does labour have a chance in hell to be elected with comrade Corbyn? where are Israel and the Jewish faith communities in all this, wouldn't they be lobbying like heck to defend their interests, their communities?

this is not so much about Cologne but I read yesterday

According to The Sunday Times, It said the carnage would "turn children's hair white" - an image used in an apocalyptic passage of the Islamic holy book.The whole passage says: "There will be shackles, and fire, and food that chokes, and painful punishments.

One, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, warned that sleeper cells are lying in wait around terror targets.He said: "By Allah, we will come to you. Rather, we are already in your lands. We will slaughter you inside your homes."

This sounds ominous and like something from a horror B movie. I refuse to be worried about it but do wonder what precautions families can take to protect themselves, if any.

There have been a lot of empty threats against schools in London and Birmingham. I can't think of anything being as upsetting as that type of attack.

Britt - I have an old uni friend who is a labour councillor in London. Always participating in think tanks and the like. Perhaps he's forgotten he's gay?

DeeEm …… Sikh and Hindu girls also exploited by Muslim men.

I remember this, most occurred in the Midlands but one Sikh girl in my area was targeted - maybe more cases but I read of one. Sikh and Hindu girls would never go out with a Muslim man, so very cannily the men pretend to be of the same faith as the girls. They turn on the charm, the attention & affection and the girl falls for it. Next thing she knows she's been Mickey Finn'd and compromising photos taken of her. She is blackmailed into sleeping with friends of the man.

The girls stay quiet but in the end they break down of course, and then have to face their own community and the stigma attached. My next-door neighbour is a former Chairperson of the Hindu Council UK (he's still an executive officer there), so I will speak to him again about this matter. I know he absolutely hates being referred to as 'Asian' because it lumps in together with all Asians.

He did say that what happened to white girls in Rotherham et al and now to Sikh and Hindu girls is a deliberate action by hostile Muslims. It is a tactic that will increase countrywide not just for the obvious "business" and £ but also to damage and suppress all non-muslim females.

It's not just Muslim men we have to contend with, but also Muslim women who support the rape of non-muslim women:

www.india.com/news/world/muslim-men-can-rape-non-muslim-women-to-teach-them-a-lesson-claims-woman-islamic-professor-873381/

The opposite of God would order that behaviour.

It's just disgraceful that anybody can allow their thinking to be so corrupted by any religion or ideology that they could accept that

Interesting that we have heard nothing of the attempts of Sikhs and Hindus on this. One of my daughter's friends works with a Muslim woman who is very active in their moderate community trying to prevent radicalism and build relationships with other communities, they have had big meetings and demos which never get reported. It is almost like divide and conquer from the powers that be, keep us all apart and prevent a concerted response

The youtube clip is very good, and it's good to see people such as Richard Dawkins speaking out. But it's disturbing to find left wing supporters throwing themselves and others under the bus in the name of so called political correctness.

I've not seen the statements by the Hindu and Sikh leaders, but am well aware that many Muslims do not like these other religions.

I said to DH Isis seem to have targeted and done attacks in most of the western world, only S. America seems to have escaped.

Can see the scene in Brazil's favelas:

E, cara! You see that one, yes that one dressing up like that? He wants a fight...come on lets get him.

Yes about 5-10 mins I would give them before they disappeared...

It seems we are just giving in, giving up our rights to exist even...why?

Very true about it not just being white girls. I actually know one of the Rotherham victims and she is not white, nor is her family background Christian. Apologists normally insist that they abuse on the basis of availability. And because non-Muslim girls have more freedom they are targets. But the fact that a cultural difference is used to target these girls is racist in itself. If a Muslim girl is beaten up because they wear a headscarf, or are heard ordering halal or are coming out of a mosque nobody has any compunction in labelling that a race crime. They're targeted because they're doing something that marks them out as different from their attackers group, just as CSE victims are marked out as different because they're out alone in shopping centres or bus stations or parks wearing Western clothes sometimes quite late at night. Nobody would argue that white girl's had made themselves unavailable to someone who wanted to attack a headscarf wearer because they didn't wear a headscarf and that was the only reason they weren't attacked.

Nobody says a woman who is spat at or beaten up for wearing a hijab has made herself 'available' for attack to those who want to attack headscarf wearers. Why is it fair that when other people are targeted, behaving differently from the attackers group suddenly means that they are available rather than it being a hate crime?

The other argument is that the abusers also attack their families within their own homes. This is doubtful. There have been a lot of CSE prosecutions but only one case (in Leeds) were the convicted have also been found to have attacked a family member. This is a ridiculous argument anyway. To put it another way, you could argue that somebody who goes out and beats up a hijab wearing woman who then goes home and beats up his wife isn't a racist because he beats up his wife.

Add to this that the victims almost universally report being subjected to racist or religious abuse from their attackers, and it's absolutely astounding that these aren't classified as hate crimes.