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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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BrittEkland · 31/01/2016 13:54

Fish .... I am a big supporter of the licensed black taxi (the Hackney) and those taxi drivers all of whom qualified to drive the Hackney by doing The Knowledge. I heard that learning the Knowledge may be reduced or eliminated because of sat-navs. This is a mistake, because those guys know all the best backstreet routes to avoid jams. When I am dropped off at my house at night, the cabbie waits until I have turned the key, entered my house and switched on a light before he drives off.

Fishinminepuddle · 31/01/2016 13:58

Britt, thank you, i'm ignorant, sorry but what is 'the Hackney'?

BrittEkland · 31/01/2016 14:09

Fish .... the Hackney Carriage is the proper name for licensed black taxi.

BillSykesDog · 31/01/2016 15:45

It's not just education. I worked in the NHS during the Labour years. There would be an awful lot of discussion about voting intentions. But if anybody had ever said that they voted Tory they would have been shunned and all chance of promotion shelved. If they'd admitted voting UKIP they would have been out of a job. It was accepted that there was a political orthodoxy and set of ideas which must be shared to get on and progress.

I sat in meetings which were nothing short of doublespeak. For example diabetes workshops which were specifically aimed at SE Asian people as they were more at risk, so in some ways fair enough. But the problem was that the SE workshops you could be on within days. If you weren't SE Asian then you could be waiting 8 weeks or more. This caused problems because we covered areas where there was a lot of deprivation and some people were very poorly educated and didn't understand how to manage their condition. They would think things like they just couldn't eat actual physical white sugar. So they'd stop drinking tea because they couldn't put sugar in it so they would drink full fat coke instead! They'd end up in hospital.

Anyway, the district nurses would complain about how long it took to get on the courses and how they were dealing with the resultant fall out. We'd be sitting in meetings with management going over and over and over how to shorten the delays. But nobody, nobody would suggest converting an SE Asian class to an open one. It was just verboten. Couldn't even be mentioned or considered. The whole thing was insane.

The taxis, CSE and other illegal activities are the same. Everybody knows it's happening, but apparently it's racist to even think it and you have to pretend it's not. But if you ask if it's been investigated and disproved, the answer is of course not, that would be racist. But if you ask how they can say it's not happening, the answer is 'Because our ideology tells us so'. And you just go round and round in circles with nothing being done and problems being ignored because to look at them would be racist. I know that if the police started spot checks on cabs in my area there would be outrage in certain groups that it was a racist action. And the council and police won't do it because of that. But as Rotherham shows, sometimes it's not racism, it's true.

unlucky83 · 31/01/2016 16:31

britt Just want to say I agree Black cabs are safer but we still need to be aware and keep safe.
I got a black cab at about 11pm in Streatham - not going far I was supposed to be getting the night bus but think I had the wrong time and I just wasn't feeling very safe. It had its light out but feeling desperate I flagged it down and it stopped. The driver (50yr old white guy, wearing a bad toupee) was really creepy. Even though I was wearing jeans and a rugby shirt I think he thought I was one of the working girls (Streatham has (or had at least) a large red light district) - nothing overt but just a bit yuk...when we got to my door he took ages to take the locks off in the back and kept talking to me, asking me about who lived in the house with me etc (and no mobiles etc so nothing to make me feel safer) and even a vague hint that maybe I didn't need to pay in cash ... so glad when he did let me out...I gave him a massive tip (didn't want to wait for my change) yuk - really yuk.
Later I read about a black cab driver who was a serial rapist but I don't think it was the same guy...I think mine had actually been out to pick up a prostitute and just took me as a fare cos he thought it might be cheaper or something...

BungoWomble · 31/01/2016 16:53

I'm not happy about the situation, but I do think you are starting to work each other up a bit about safety. Britain does seem to be safer - certainly no more dangerous - for girls and women than it was in the 70s / 80s, when groping was considered perfectly acceptable and normal (go see the 'help me understand the 60s/ 70s thread in chat). Didn't the Crime Survey show that violent crime levels were falling - if I had to take a guess, probably because of the increased awareness of emotional problems taking effect. There is a problem, we don't want to go backwards, but as Douglas Adams put it, "Don't Panic!"

BungoWomble · 31/01/2016 17:01

Oh yes, and if you're that worried, rather than driving everywhere and observing self-imposed curfews, go and sign up to a martial art/ self defence course, with your daughters. It's what I do/ will do.

HelenaDove · 31/01/2016 18:10

There are a few cabs in my area with no lights in the back at all.

BrittEkland · 31/01/2016 18:12

Bungo……. No, not working each other up. Trying to establish that different areas require slightly different approaches. And to remind us all that some men love being predators. Not too long ago I wanted to put something in my car in readiness for tomorrow. It was 1am and my car was parked on the opposite side about 4 houses along. As I locked up and was walking back to my house I became aware of a car quite a way away starting up and driving in my direction. I figured it was going to turn at the corner I was just approaching so I picked up speed to get past the corner before the car but I was not scared and did not think anything of it.

Well, thank goodness I did walk very briskly, because just before reaching my house a gang of four West Indian men got out and quickly positioned themselves to block me in should I start running (they didn’t know that I was almost home). Three of them positioned themselves strategically and the fourth one followed me almost to my front door. He looked up and saw lights were on and I was already at my porch and safe. He gave me a long look and walked away. If they had caught me I am sure they would have raped me.

I got a taste of being hunted and seen the men close in for a coordinated attack. So, Bungo, if I knew martial arts I would have put up a fight but still got raped.

BrittEkland · 31/01/2016 18:18

BillSykes ..... Your account has made me furious. And you know that those portions of society that are not sensitive about being seen as racist are laughing and exploiting us.

tormentil · 31/01/2016 18:51

I am finding this whole thing increasingly frightening. Those of us who want to discuss this with reason and an aim to find solutions seem to be stuck between the left wing deniers and the right wing xenophobes

- at 11 minutes in -the problem in a nutshell.
VertigoNun · 31/01/2016 18:59

That link is as odd as an ISIS radicalisation video.Hmm

tormentil · 31/01/2016 19:06

My linK? Is it? Not the intention. At 11 mins the articulation of what happens when there is a political gap,and why it matters.

CalmYoBadSelf · 31/01/2016 19:17

Vertigo He did look rather odd but the increasingly intolerant attitude of some of the left is becoming a problem. We have mentioned before the fear of being called racist or xenophobic and it does seem that some groups are taking a "that view is offensive so should be silenced" approach, rather than defeating that view in open discussion. I have been shocked at some of the skewed thinking I have noticed on this

CalmYoBadSelf · 31/01/2016 19:19

It comes back to the point that if rational voices do not talk about these things it leaves easy picking for the extreme right wing when people become frightened

Fishinminepuddle · 31/01/2016 19:55

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3425358/Borders-completely-open-migrants-inevitable-predicts-Labour-s-John-McDonnell.html

'Completely open borders are inevitable,' predicts Labour's John McDonnell
Shadow chancellor said global movements would make borders irrelevant
McDonnell said poverty and climate change would drive migration
He claimed totally open borders 'would occur' by the end of the century

AllTheMadmen · 31/01/2016 20:14

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Chipstick10 · 31/01/2016 20:25

John McDonnell and his ilk are very frightening IMO . the far left are just as frightening as far right but I agree that not discussing or indeed denying leaves room for far right groups to flourish because ppl are frightened and are not being listened too. Surely that's why Le Penn does so well in France .and why many especially up north were turning to ukip

januarybrown1998 · 31/01/2016 20:31

Been out of the country and interesting to hear views on the issue from mainland Europe.

As we were at dinner the news came of the Stockholm station marches and attacks.

A friend travels through regularly for business. He was astonished at the 'children' issue and said he's seen a rise in young men hanging around the station. Some female colleagues are actively avoiding using the station after dark and their company gives them uber cabs home when they work late.

It's pretty much as we've discussed here. The right are willing to speak out but behave with violence.

The left are unwilling to ascribe concerns over immigration to anyone but fascists and nazis.

So we will now have more emotive, woolly features masquerading as editorial comment, shrieking about the jackbooted, using the words 'desperate' 'terrified' 'vulnerable' 'fleeing' and 'danger'.

And the debate goes on still. Well done all of you sensible posters!

MariscallRoad · 31/01/2016 20:47

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AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 31/01/2016 21:10

John McDonnell and his ilk are very frightening IMO . the far left are just as frightening as far right

well yes, the far left are just as scary if not more scary than the far right!

I asked a good friend once why Stalin and communism and the horrors of eastern Europe seem to get off lightly, and he simply said " costumes and Hollywood, the nazis had a great uniform, and Jewish people were powerful in hollywood to make loads of films about them" , and yet we have the horrors from communism and also china, north Korea etc.

But yes terrifying and when one understands the thought process behind decisions it makes more sense.

Unite flags were seen in calais when corybn had been there - and the migrants, stirred on by the no borders crowd broke onto the ferry.

unlucky83 · 31/01/2016 21:11

january I didn't see it mentioned much in the reports but came across this from 6 days ago

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3415477/Swedish-police-warn-Stockholm-s-main-police-station-overrun-migrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

I'm not saying the violence that happened in Stockholm station was justified or acceptable in anyway ...it isn't
But the way it has been reported is interesting - the majority reports saying things like 'beating up refugee children' which gives a mental image of the victims being toddlers from Syria. Which doesn't seem to be the case ...
Eg the DM link for the second story
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3423968/Mobs-hundreds-masked-men-rampage-Stockholm-central-station-beating-refugee-children.html
So less than a week ago the Dm called them migrant teen gangs and yesterday they were refugee children ....just an illustration of how manipulative language is used by the media I guess...
(The Moroccan teens/children sound like they have had desperately hard lives too but not sure what more can be done to support them if they won't stay in care...)

januarybrown1998 · 31/01/2016 22:00

unlucky, yes it will be interesting to watch the language evolve depending on the message that has to be pushed.

The Kafkaesque debate here about use of the word 'migrant' as dehumanising and demanding it not be used was a glorious example of attempting to stifle the debate by constraining anyone who leaves the brainwashed party line.

Shrieking about the language and banning words is beautifully Orwellian and illustrates exactly how the left's most spectacular own goal is shaping up.

If you won't allow a voice those who are concerned about unlimited immigration, then you might as well be wearing a balaclava and DMs yourself because you're just a fascist in a donkey jacket otherwise.

fourmummy · 31/01/2016 22:16

The biggest problem for me in all of this is a knowledge gap; a profound lack of understanding of why any of this is happening. I feel very agitated and displaced by the news in recent months. There's no sensible narrative or timeline that can piece all the events together for me. I could understand war refugees - but many are not this. I could understand Merkel's pronouncements - but it now appears that these were woefully misconceived and even cruel. I could understand open borders if someone could tell me why we need them - but no explanation is forthcoming. I could understand why assimilation of newly arrived migrants is necessary - but no-one can explain why appalling behaviours are tolerated, sometimes in preference over perfectly functional existing laws or social obligations. I could understand why 'the Europe project' could be "a good thing" - but I can't work out why billionaire financier Bilderbergers like Soros are gunning for it. I could understand the need for more people to bolster up the workforce - but we are told that many future jobs will not only be automated or will change so profoundly out of the skills range of the new migrants as to become defunct, but, as is evidently the case, little or no provision is available now to place existing migrants into jobs. I wish I could make sense of the NYE assaults - but I just don't understand what happened, why they were actively misreported or even hushed up. All I want is to read a decent article or hear a reasonable view of these events so that I could make sense of it all.

Chipstick10 · 31/01/2016 22:18

I agree with those who are concerned about what language is being used and how quickly it closes down debate. Smoke and mirrors. David Cameron's 'bunch of migrants " comment last week was a prime example. The hysterical reaction just closed down debate. Yvette cooper standing up piously in the house demanding apologies just took the focus away from the issue in hand.