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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Cologne2016Petition · 26/01/2016 21:04

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SonyaAtTheSamovar · 29/01/2016 09:12

You can see a clip of the Labour MP on QT on the Daily Mail website.

MariscallRoad · 29/01/2016 09:12

januarybrown1998 Indeed The Heroes project mentioned in the Spiegel is interesting and has just started from jung people which is heartening. I noted in the Article ""Cologne brought our issues to the fore," says theater teacher Yilmaz Atmaca" I feel this is an important point.

MariscallRoad · 29/01/2016 09:13

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VertigoNun · 29/01/2016 09:27

It's terrible that Jess compared street harassment to what to me was a terror attack. Come on a terror alert warnings at German train stations on NYE and you get this event in Cologne!

Fishinminepuddle · 29/01/2016 09:51

I'd just like to point out that comparing the current refuge situation with the Holocaust in Germany is morally and factually wrong.

Refugees are 'choosing' to come to Europe. Genuine refugees from the ME who are fleeing in fear of their lives are seeking the safety of Europe, they leave a horrible and unsafe situation striving for a safe life in a stable European society. Many are fleeing ISIS who in actual fact may be compared to the NAZIs for their ruthless violence and fascist ideology. Economic migrants from NA are coming to Europe expecting to come to money, either through honest work or though crime or through benefits. On the whole a very large number of migrants are being welcome warmly to Europe, get housing, food and clothing especially in Germany and Sweden. Merkel and many others have welcomed them with open arms and hearts.

Such an unprecedented and disorganised exodus and influx will have an impact on the local population, even more as there is an obvious lack of resources and political leadership and ability to ensure a smooth enough transition. This was not the case with the Jewish citizens in Europe who had been settled and contributed enormously to European societies over centuries. The Holocaust was, in part, the result of ingrained anti-Semitism, economic devastation following WW1, and a prevalent preoccupation with race and racial features which was the science of the day during that period. Jewish people had not been terrorising Europe and killing European to show off their faith. Jewish people also did not expect their faith, their kosher diet, their religious rhythms and sensitivities to be catered for in the European societies they were settled in, they were largely peaceful, productive and well integrated.

Home Secretary Andy Burnham said “He [Cameron] just dismissed desperate people fleeing conflict as a “bunch of migrants” - on Holocaust Memorial Day,” he added.To compare Calais with the Holocaust is morally and facially wrong. The refugees choose to be in Calais, they are offered improved accommodation (improved fem tent city), which many have refused rudely. They refuse to seek asylum in France and settle there (a safe and prosperous country) because they demand to go to the UK. They are not being persecuted cause of their ethnicity. They are not packed on trains to be sent to camps to be killed en masse or to undergo cruel medical experiments. They are not forced to clean the roads with their own toothbrushes. They are not gathered up from their homes and shot simply for being who they are.

It is so very inappropriate and disrespectful to the survivors and surviving families of Holocaust victims to tar these two situations with the same brush.

In actual fact the one community which displays anti-Semitism most consistently and vocally, however, is the Muslim 'community'. (See iran's Holocasut denial, attacks on Jews in Marseilles and elsewhere) uk.businessinsider.com/khamenei-holocaust-remembrance-video-denial-2016-1?r=US&IR=T.

DC referring to 'a bunch of migrants' is neither very smart nor eloquent, however it is political correctness gone mad and dumb to speak of 'dehumanising' language. FFs, such hyperbole. Comparing Calais with the Holocaust is a lazy and offensive argument. In my opinion.

SonyaAtTheSamovar · 29/01/2016 10:03

The media and politicians are conducting this debate at a ridiculous level of hyperbole and misinformation.

The public opinion polls are far more enlightening IMO.

GraceKellysLeftArm · 29/01/2016 10:20

I saw that petition re: Emma Watson a week or two ago and whilst it is highly "provocative" and certainly has an in-yer-face tone about it - of course we can't sign it because should we do so then we are in fact permitting her rape. And don't for one fucking minute believe she wouldn't be.

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 10:22

Morning all,

I've been away from this thread for a couple of days.

It is time for a concerted effort to get the petition out there and perhaps another concentrated letter campaign to our so called representatives.

I'm happy to co-ordinate (now I've finally done my bloody tax return, they can damn well work for what I've paid them lighthearted comment before it is jumped on!!)

I'm not on social media so not sure if this if viable but it would be good if we could start to tweet some of the more prominent figures on the list. If anyone is willing to send a tweet please give me as shout and we can see if we can get this out there.

I was going to suggest we do it in groups of say 20 people at a time and possibly tweet links to these threads too.

At the same time if a few of us can send emails to some on the list, starting with those who don't have a huge social media presence that would be good too.

I don't think a draft email would work, I think it does need to be from each individual.

I'll also pop a fresh thread in petitions, if anyone has ten minutes to help me draft something that would be marvelous. I would like to address the issues raised with the petition and explain the reasons behind the wording.

Lets make this weekend the time we get this out there. If we pull together we should hopefully be able to be heard, we just need to should a bit louder than our detractors and not get derailed!

GraceKellysLeftArm · 29/01/2016 10:24

Urgh - from the comments on that Telegraph article www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/

I've always found it more than a touch ironic that "the left" use the word "idealogy" with such utter contempt and disgust you'd think it was a euphemism for gang-rape and. Oh.

This idealogy of "no borders" is just bonkers.

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 10:34

I'm not sure if it is allowed but perhaps popping a link to our petition in the comments section of relevant / related articles could be an option. Any registered users willing to give it a shot?

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 29/01/2016 10:41

I haven't seen anyone rioting nor being encouraged to riot.

But the evidence is here on the thread Emily, do you not look at the links people post, read the links they post?

What does this mean - "I havent seen anyone riot" if you are not actively looking at the shared information here, you are not actively trying to participate in a meaningful way, why would you see anything?

For all we know, you may live in a tiny hut in the alps somewhere....what does it mean I have never seen any riot?

I have never seen Pandas mating but I know they do it!

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 10:41

Assaults On Women Across Europe

Recent events have highlighted the need for debate around the assaults across Europe, which were brought to public attention when the media finally covered the attacks in Cologne on New Years Eve.

We have (finally) managed to produce a petition on the government website which asks the government to explain what they will do to ensure the safety of women in the UK. Whilst we acknowledge that the wording is not perfect, it took several efforts to get this to published stage.

It goes without saying that we do not believe that all migrants are here to rape and assault. The majority want to live their lives in peace, just as we do.

This is the first draft of the petition post. I'll put links to this thread and to the petition on it too. Please tear it apart and rewrite it.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 29/01/2016 10:47

longwayround

I really like Morocco and I was shocked to see so many attackers Paris, causing problems in Germany etc. We never had a single problem when there I have been three times now.

Whats the mood there at the moment, its somewhere I was looking forward to re visiting with my daughters, does it still feel safe? Is is still moderate?

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 29/01/2016 10:49

glen

can we add in something like " also please remember there are women and children lumped in with this lot who have less of a voice against attack and groping than we do. Amnesty and Un have recently highlighted them as extremely vulnerable so for their sakes as well, lets keep this issue highlighted...

??

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 10:52

HOw does

If we are unable to keep our own citizens safe, how can we protect the vulnerable women and children in these camps?

sound?

unlucky83 · 29/01/2016 11:00

Mariscal's linked article in Der Spiegel about Islam vs sexism has reminded me of some small things a friend - was a primary teacher in the UK in a school that is about 40% Muslim children - has said over the years and how maybe we (I) have been walking blind into viewing sexism from some cultures as acceptable - just 'the way it is' ...
but they are not amusing little idiosyncrasies - it is really insulting. I am actually shocked by the level of my acceptance...
A few egs...and my thoughts at the time.
Poor attendance at parents' evening - parents wanting appts with head (only male teacher) to find they only wanted to discuss their child's progress...it was so bad they ended up filtering appts so they were directed straight back to the class teachers but that meant they more or less had two parents' evenings until the message sunk in (and some parents still refused appts with the class teachers). I was sympathising with her for having to arrange extra parents' evenings - not screaming about the sexism.
Another incident one parent turned up to his parent evening appt extremely late (over an hour) just as teacher was heading home (and has childcare responsibilities). Said she really couldn't see him then, he would have to make a new appt. He ordered her to see him then. She refused. After a strop he got his diary out and told her when that appt would be - when she said it didn't work like that he told her 'you do not tell me what to do' .... at the time I thought he was just arrogant - now I'm thinking ...
There was also a problem with a group of older primary boys being disrespectful towards the female teachers - the head kept having to be called to tell them what to do...one of them said to her 'My father (or maybe uncle) is the Imam, he told me I do not have to listen to you'. (And I thought typical arrogant pre-teen boy trying it on)
There are more ...I really feel like I've been a blind fool...like the scales have dropped from my eyes. And I would have said I was very aware of 'everyday sexism' and cultural issues ...it just seemed this was understandable? acceptable? sexism. I am shocked at myself.

southernstar · 29/01/2016 11:04

I think we need some publicity re some media , tv or newspaper . maybe a columnist with a femamist slant .

TheNewStatesman · 29/01/2016 11:05

Kesstrel, dear God, that article.....

"According to Khaled, men in the crowd carried sticks, knives and once a man was armed with a “sword”. Ali stressed the importance of showing courage: it was imperative they kept moving to get to the women. This offers a window into understanding how masculinity represented by these men as courage is traditionally considered a masculine trait. They described instances where they have had boiling water thrown on them by men who had set up makeshift tea stands, in one case to break the circle of defence and allow harassers through....."

southernstar · 29/01/2016 11:06

I know a freelance journalist, I will ask for her advise

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 11:16

southern that would be brilliant. We do have a couple of journalists on the list, they should probably be one of our first 'targets' for want of a better word.

Fishinminepuddle · 29/01/2016 11:18

I was also thinking how interesting it is that the liberal left readily and passionately accuse people who express their concerns about male migrant violence as seen in Cologne of hysteria, hyperbole and generalisation. Yet they happily generalise about people who are critical of mass migration and muslim misogyny stigmatising them as nazis and racists. It is hypocritical and unintelligent.

glenthebattleostrich · 29/01/2016 11:21

Interestingly unlucky, one of the reasons I've been away from the thread is because of some training I've been doing for work. A couple of years ago it was all about showing respect for the cultures without question and accepting any practice just in case you were accused of being racist. Now it is whilst we must respect other cultures, we must question them when x y z are indicated. This one was on FGM and other cultural violence (the course title, not my words before I'm accused of thinking all people who are not white are abusers).

milkshake123 · 29/01/2016 11:28

I have written to Jess Phillips expressing my disgust with her performance on Question Time last night. Cologne NYE 2015/6 is not like "Broad St in Birmingham on a Saturday night" - talk about dismissing it. From a woman and mother too. But she was so full of herself that she looked like (and sounded like) and idiot. The Labour Party is a shambles - no wonder they are nowhere in the polls. For a party that used to claim they stood up for women, they have become a total embarrassment.

Off to write to others....

sportinguista · 29/01/2016 11:36

It appears from the link on the article that the problem is now very close to my city - I live in Nottingham in one of the most ethnically diverse areas where chances are this person was housed.

I already do not go out in the area at night unless my husband comes too as there have been issues. I don't think I will be now.

I appreciate not all of the refugees/migrants are a danger but all it takes is one or two. Plus the chances are the area where I live is the one that they are most likely to be housed in.

Talking about it with my husband he said anybody causing trouble and bringing in problems is not likely to be very popular with the existing muslim communities either and they are likely to deal very harshly with any troublemakers, and that doesn't usually involve calling the police either!