Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

Surveys show that almost exactly the same number of British people as Americans believe in creationism, in fact.

Which explains how Cameron got elected. ;)

But also the MMR vaccine scare.

'Most people are worried because he's a lose cannon. As is Sarah, in addition to being ignorant. '

Have you seen Trump's crowds? They are bigger than for any other politician. Bernie's crowds are second biggest, but Trump's are far greater. The people aren't worried.

The elite and their media and the Guardian etc can only play identity politics to try and divide the American people and frighten them that Trumo is "racist" or "sexist". It won't work, Trump is going to trounce the media and win and unite the American people against the elites.

Trump isn't stupid, he has a brilliant knack of reaching out to the ordinary American people with his fearless tweets and language and humour and his not playing by the rules of the political class and what he calls "puppets". His rallies are packed out with ordinary people and one or two Establishment stooges reporting back to their worried bosses that "Trump and Palin are no joke"

We do need an end to the elite/billionaire class decision makers but he's not going to make it. Even if it's an act, he does not come across as sophisticated or nuanced in his thinking. That's important to people given that we are becoming increasingly better educated and thus more demanding of good decision making. He's a symbolism of one aspect that needs fixing but he's not the right person. I have a deep sense of foreboding that I just can't shake. Where are we going to be in 2,3,5 years?

In the unlikely event, as they say, of a Trump presidency it will be quite entertaining to find him grappling with the idea that in government you can't just go bankrupt, find someone else to sell the presidency to and start again.

Crowds can easily be manufactured. :)

And even if crowds follow one person it still doesn't mean it's the right person for the job.
Mob mentality is an interesting phenomenon.

'Mob mentality is an interesting phenomenon.'

This is the elite's argument. Tony Blair who says the people can't be trusted with making decisions because they don't understand what he and his sofa buddies understand, that the leftwingers who elected Corbyn needed a "heart transplant".

The people aren't stupid, they are desperate for change. They drive 5 hours to Bernie's rallies and Trump's rallies in their thousands. they are desperate for change. They want jobs, age increases, a future which the Wall Street fat cats have not delivered as they have shipped their jobs abroad in the naeme of "globalisation" which the Guardian and all the rest of the media have told the people is good for them.

People are not stupid. As Trump says, he has been all over the States now iwth amazing crowds of 35000 in Mobile Alabama. He has met so many people, desperate for change, and he has said "there are so many great people in America", not the "losers" and lobbyists in government corridors.

Absolutely claig. One of the positive things about Trump is that his New York values presumably include a unionised workforce, resulting in wage increases and improved industrial relations.

Oh dear. Apparently though unionisation has been agreed there now after a protracted and bitter dispute.

annandale, Trump is an American capitalist billionaire. It won't be a union paradise. Bernie will offer that but he won't be able to win against Wall Street. Trump will create jobs and higher wages because he will slash corporation tax to 15% and put tariffs on goods if necessary and change tax rules so that US companies can bring the trillions they hold offshore back to the US. What that will mean is that there will be huge business activity in the USA with too few workers chasing more jobs and that will mean that employers will have to increase wages to attract staff. There will be no more competition with the lowest wage countries on the planet. America will be put first and the American people will have jobs. Trump says "I will be the biggest job creator in American hstory". Trump is a billioanire, he doesn't need to do this, he is doing it because he wants to fix America and nobody owns him or tells him what to do.

There is a fascinating political change happening all across the Western World.

Even in a country like Holland an anti-establishment politician, is getting most of the votes now. Despite the media panning him and never giving him a platform to speak.

Trump in the US

LePenn in France

Farage and Corbyn here

Fascinating but also scary times.

What happens once all these anti-anti-establishmentarians are in power? Will they just become the new establishment?

'Will they just become the new establishment?'

I think so, if they make it. Don't forget that the existing Establishment is very, very rich and powerful and will play its usual politically correct identity politics divide and rule games. That is why what happens in the Uniited States is crucial. If the Establishment loses in the United States and political correctness is defeated then they will lose elsewhere because the United States will set the tune.

I think if Trump gets in, a lot of very high-up crooks will be "going in the clink" as Trump terms it, so they won't be able to make an easy comeback.i don't think we are witnessing politics as usual which is why the elites are panicking and the Guardian's finest are writing that Trump and Palin "are no joke".

I think it is the beginning of the end of political correctness...

For me, I finally list my blinkers with the Cologne story.

It was hushed by politicians, police AND press. All press. Even the Bbc did not report it.

I found out about it on Mumsnet. MUMSNET! and thought: thus is going to be huge.

I am not surprised Cologne happened.

I was shocked how the story was suppressed for 5 days.

It really opened my eyes.

And I am very far from a conspiracy theorist Trump/Farage supporter.

I am actually scared but also angry

He is anti establishment, man of the people, he's going to click his fingers and clean up business and politics, end corruption, show 'em who's boss and also kick Isis ass....the man sounds like the messiah, a superhero come to rescue the ordinary folk of Gotham city and the world. He is telling people what they want to hear and they really are falling for it.

But is he really any different to the rest? He is a tough, straight talking business man who is used to getting what he wants. I don't think for a minute that he gives a hoot about ordinary people. In business he has been a ruthless bully who stops at nothing to get what he wants. People have to realise that this is not how politics and diplomacy works. The thought of him and Putin in a 'my gun is bigger than yours' type stand off just fills me with dread.

The man is just so cocky it's frightening.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK? It’s like incredible."

Yes, people are desperate for change. And Trump is playing to that desperation.

Unfortunately, for the people who do want change, he is all talk. I even doubt he has any intention of fulfilling any of his promises.
See how his views regarding abortion changed - to play for the conservative crowd.

Mob mentality is not about being able to make decisions or not. It's about how people follow each other, particularly when they perceive the ones they are following are a majority.
Mobs don't think. They follow.

I'd be very surprised if Trump would actually even try to reinforce unions and drive salaries up.
He's on the side of the big employers, not the workers. It's amazing how those crowds forget that.

Yes, it is frightening how things and people are silenced from expressing opinions that run counter to the metropolitan elite.

Conservatives have always been against political correctness because they saw that it was an issue of freedom and if you can't have free speech to disagree with the orthodoxy on lots and lots of issues, then you will end up not being free. That is why it is so ridiculous for our servant class to try and ban Donald Trump for his speech.

But it has now got to the stage where feminists like Julie Bindel and the legendary Germaine Greer are banned from some universities because they don't agree with the new orthodoxy and might offend someone. If we carry on like this, we will end up in Big Brother's state where the elite will have made it that no one can diagree with them on anything. We already had Labour MPs compalining about the public tweeting "red Tory" to them "in volume" which meanst they couldn't reply to each tweet. Whatever next? Will everybody have tio agree on everything?

The politically correct coverups in Rotherham and Cologne are a worrying sign of how political correctness will cover up truths and crimes and that is bad for society because sweeping problems under the carpet will just make things worse and will not provide justice and good solutions.

At the end of the day, freedom is the most valuable thing we have because it ensures real debate and disagreement and in that process the best ideas and the most democratic solutions to society's problems can be found.

What Trump has singlehandedly done it to laugh at political correctness and drive a coach and horses through it. He calls the politicians "puppets", he says he wrote cheques for them, he says wrong things but that is part of free speech. He is not scared of the media, he mocks the Establishment and amazingly enough every time they try to stop him, he ends up even stronger than before. If he wins, then all people will be able to say what they think and that has got to be a good thing.

Here is the Guardian using the usual politically correct trick of identity and gender politics to fool people and divide them

"If Trump is indeed gaffe-proof, it is not just the laws of politics that no longer conform in this year’s campaign but the landscape of gender: women of America, are you so entertained that you are not offended?

The Guardian conducted interviews this week with 18 women at four Trump events over 48 hours, including one hosted by John Wayne’s daughter and another where Palin was unveiled as the magnate’s new sidekick. The female supporters – including undecided voters – expressed views consistent with what the former vice-presidential candidate and the billionaire frontrunner agreed is nothing less than a “movement”: anti-establishment, unapologetic and, it turns out, gender-neutral. Not one mentioned that she was turned off by his anti-women remarks.

These are qualities not fully reflected in the very polls Trump holds up as signifying his lead over the Texas senator Ted Cruz and a field of 10. Which is to say, the polls do not tell the whole Trump story. And such conversations offer a window into why Trump could be more popular than anyone ever thought possible.
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“He’s sick and tired of things, and so am I,” exclaimed Judy Haines of Trump at the event in Norwalk. “You’re not allowed to say what you think.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/donald-trump-conservative-women-turn-blind-eye-anti-women-slurs

Everyone is sick and tired of what is going on and politically correct trickery won't work for the elites anymore. Trump has slain the dragon with his tweets.

'But is he really any different to the rest?'

He must be or the Guardian, the BBC and the Establishment wouldn't be scared witless by him. He can't be bought, he can't be bullied, he can't be controlled.

'The thought of him and Putin in a 'my gun is bigger than yours' type stand off just fills me with dread. '

He has said he thinks he will get on with Putin and that the USA and Russia can possibly work together to sort out Isis and "kick Isis ass" as Palin said. He is a dealmaker, he gets along with people for the benefit of America, not the global governance elite.

'The man is just so cocky it's frightening. '

Frightening to whom? The Guardian and the elite?

' I even doubt he has any intention of fulfilling any of his promises.
See how his views regarding abortion changed - to play for the conservative crowd.'

It is possible he is tricking everyone, but if he was, then the Republican elite would not be scared stiff of him.

You have to remember, he has to do everything to win the Republican nomination in the face of fierce resistance from the Establishment. He has outsmarted them so far.

Claig are you his campaign manger

Oh god I can't imagine claig Trump v Putin and Trump with his finger on the button. Could be the end of all of us.
It's all about his ego. Awful man.

'Claig are you his campaign manger'

Unfortunately not

SquinkiesRule, don't worry about Trump and war. There won't be any war when Trump is in power apart from sorting Isis out.

'Claig are you his campaign manger'

Sorting ISIS will be a war.

'Sorting ISIS will be a war.'

It will be over very quickly. They are not very powerful in reality. They will be defeated quickly when Trump and Palin start. They have to be defeated because they are carrying out terrorist attacks in Europe and the US and are destabilising the Middle East which could possibly lead to a world war.

ISIS have people all over the world willing to undertake lone wolf and group terror attacks. I don't think they will be easily defeated.

'I don't think they will be easily defeated.'

I think they will if Trump gets in. Once the head is cut off the hydra, the lone wolves will wither away.