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Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

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shebird · 21/01/2016 16:57

What a pair. Her endorsement speech yesterday was just bonkers - words just fail me when it comes to Donald Trump.

Is this the best America has to offer?

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JassyRadlett · 02/02/2016 20:59

Yes but Iowa is atypical because of the huge evangelical Christian voter contingent who prefer Cruz or Rubio over liberal Trump who has supported Hillary and Obama in the past on lots of policies.

Everywhere is atypical for one reason or another for people trying to explain away poor results.

claig · 02/02/2016 21:02

Jerry Falwell, the evalengical head of the largest Christian university in the world, Liberty University, endorsed Trump because he said "we are not voting for a preacher, we are voting for President" and although many evangelicals agree, a large number still preferred candidates who were more religious than Trump.

It will be different in New Hampshire and South Carolina, although the Esstablishment will be doing everything in their power to stop Trump. Will their worst be good enough? We will have to wait and see.

JassyRadlett · 02/02/2016 21:04

So even with Falwell, Trump can't win Bible Belt republicans? That's a problem.

claig · 02/02/2016 21:07

Trump had Falwell and darling of the evangelicals, Sarah Palin, but Cruz still pipped Trump because of his better ground game in Iowa. Cruz threw everything his Wall Street and hedge fund backers and others had at Iowa because he knew that if he lost that, he would not have the necessary momentum needed.

It doesn't matter to Trump - he got one less delegate than Cruz - because the polls in New Hampshire and Southern States put him far ahead of all the other Republican Establishment and so-called anti-establishment candidates. Those states are not like Iowa.

claig · 02/02/2016 21:20

Here is the FT

"Donald Trump’s middle-finger appeal"

www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8ac891dc-c681-11e5-b3b1-7b2481276e45.html#axzz3z18rgQOh

Trump is the only Republican with cross-party appeal because he embodies what the public think of the career politician puppets of the donors and lobbysists in Washington.

JassyRadlett · 02/02/2016 22:18

It really is buzzword bingo with you, claig. Really impressive.

claig · 02/02/2016 22:27

I'm only repeating what Trump calls them.

claig · 02/02/2016 22:35

Just read some bad news for Trump. He has to win 54% of the total number of delegates otherwise the Establishment will probably gang up on him at the Republican Convention and take the nomination from him. Sad

DoctorTwo · 02/02/2016 22:48

Trumpton trolled by New York Daily News; Dead Clown Walking :o

Veritat · 04/02/2016 17:27

he hypes things up to create a buzz and doesn't mean half of what he says

No, he does both. He tells the truth and he also exaggerates

Oh, right Do we really want a president whose attitude to the truth is such that we can't know at any given time whether he's lying or not?

claig · 04/02/2016 18:17

'Oh, right Do we really want a president whose attitude to the truth is such that we can't know at any given time whether he's lying or not?'

Absolutely. Trump says he wants to be "unpredictable" so that the enemy (Iis etc) don't know what he will do next. He says he won't be like Obama where he tells everybody everything before he does it.

Just heard some good news for Trump fans from former Trump adviser and insider, Roger Stone.

Cruz played some dirty tricks says Stone and that may have cost Trump in Iowa, but Stone has Cruz is part of an Establishment one-two against Trump where Rubio is the Establishment's number one choice and Cruz is intended to take votes off Trump in order to let Rubio through. Stone says if Trump wins New Hampshire, he will be up against Rubio in South Carolina and that Trump has the "best people in the business" working on his team in South Carolina. Stone says it is likely that Trump will win South Carolina and then sweep the South and that that "will be the worst day of Hillary and Bill Clinton's life".

Trump fans may have felt a little bit down after the dirty tricks of the Establishment in Iowa, but keep you hopes up, we are going to win. It's a revolution, Stone says the Establishment "are wetting their pants", it's Trump 2016!

Veritat · 04/02/2016 18:20

The trouble with that is that his "friends" won't know what he will do next, nor will they know when they can trust him at any given time. That makes him an outright liability. Likewise the voters can't know whether he's telling the truth or not, and can't have any faith in any promise he chooses to make.

claig · 04/02/2016 18:23

'the voters can't know whether he's telling the truth or not, and can't have any faith in any promise he chooses to make.'

I beg your pardon! The voters love Trump because as Roger Stone, former Trump insider, so rightly says "he can't be bullied, he can't be bought". The voters will trust Trump to clean house and kick the corrupt puppets out of office. That is why there is such panic in Davos about Trump. They have never faced a candidate like Trump who is going to change everything they have worked for. The people are with Trump and Bernie, the Establishment is hanging on for dear life to Hillary and rubio.

JassyRadlett · 04/02/2016 18:24

I really, really wish that any parts of any bureaucratic or political machine in the world was effective and disciplined enough to make even half your establishment conspiracy theories plausible, claig. Countries would be so much better run.

claig · 04/02/2016 18:28

'Countries would be so much better run.'

Jassy, haven't you figured out that it is the Establishment that makes thing run so badly for the benefit of their banker mates and their puppet masters? That is why Trump said he woukd stand for election. He is fed up of seeing America being ruined by these people and that is why at Davos there is pure panic over Trump's run. The media, the phoney conservatives, the RINOs, the Establishment, Davos and the puppets are all against Trump because he is going to "make America great again" and run the country better.

JassyRadlett · 04/02/2016 18:40

Jassy, haven't you figured out that it is the Establishment that makes thing run so badly for the benefit of their banker mates and their puppet masters?

That's one of my favourites.

Veritat · 04/02/2016 18:45

Claig, maybe you would trust someone who openly tells lies, I wouldn't.

You told us confidently in April that everyone was in a total panic about UKIP because the people's army was going to win. In fact, you seem to believe that the so-called elite spends the entire day shitting themselves about these various threats. Strangely, there is no evidence of it.

claig · 04/02/2016 18:49

They were in a panic about UKIP but the Etablishment outplayed UKIP and probably even used them to beat Labour. UKIP are not a serious party, there are stooges within it ruining it. But Trump is serious and that is why Davos are anxious about him becoming President.

This US election is the most important election on the planet bar none, which is why Davos is tuned in and why every teenage whizzkid spin doctor is on 24 hour call to help the Establishment beat Trump.

claig · 08/02/2016 22:20

'Well,well, well, now Bloomberg is putting his head above the parapet!
Interesting...Very.
Come on Claig'

At first I thought Bloomfield would not run and then thought that even if he did it would help Trump because Bloomfield is a liberal (global warming the usual Establishment stuff) and that therefore he would only end up taking the Democrat vote. But now the picture beomes clearer. The Establishment are depserate, they are reeling from Trump 2016 (the full throttle assault of the people against the Establishment barricades). Today, Bloomfield told the FT that he is thinking of running . "So what?" Trumpites say, what has that got to do with Trump 2016?

But unfortunately, it may affect Trump. John Sununu just said on Fox that Bloomfield might take New York with its 31 delegates and that might deny any candidate reaching 270 delegates which means the Presidency would have to be decided by a vote in the House. Is this the Establishment having a laugh, trying to stop the people and Trump? I wouldn't put it past them because they have never been more desperate.

Their golden boy, known as "the boy in the bubble", crashed and burned on Saturday night's debate. Maco Rubio was the Establishment's last hope to beat Trump but he is now known all over twitter as Marco Robotio as he spouted Oxbridge type teenage whizzkid spin on a neverending loop (as if an Oxbridge spin doctor had programmed Robotio's embedded chip incorrectly) as Governor Chris Christie tore the Establishment spinner apart on Saturday night with lines such as

"That's what Washington, DC, does: the drive-by shot at the beginning, with incorrect and incomplete information, and then the memorized 25-second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him."

The Establishment couldn't believe what they were watching as their hopes and dreams faded before their eyes as Christie demolished their "boy in the bubble" and Trump came out swinging at Jeb in his usual devastating fashion.

Tomorrow night is the next nightmare in the Establishment's decline as the voters of New Hampshire vote in the first primary. Trump is on top, but never underestimate the Establishment. They're down, but they're not yet out (unfortunately).

DoctorTwo · 09/02/2016 06:00

The New Hampshire Primary opened an hour ago. In the first 'town' to veote there are 9 registered voters, 5 Rep and 4 Dem. 3 of the Rep voted for Kasich, 2 for Trump. All the Dems voted for Sanders.

Lweji · 09/02/2016 08:07

Sanders is ahead of Clinton in the polls.
But Trump is way ahead of the rest too.
Let's see if the polls fail again for the Republicans or not. If they fail, thr agencies will have to do a major rethink about their methods.

claig · 10/02/2016 03:23

Trump storms New Hampshire and so does Bernie.

Establishment demolished, Davos davostated.

Politically correct puppets across the planet, together with their squads of spin doctors, in pieces.

Global warming? This time it is real, the elites are feeling the Bern.

Great speech by Bernie. Well done Bernie, well done the great peole of New Hampshire.

We never thought we would ever see the day that the elites would be defeated and that their puppet class of politicians would take a pounding. Only in America, only Trump 2016. Let's make America great again and let's sweep the puppet class out of power in every country in the world.

We the people have defeated they they the puppets. It's Trump 2016.

Lweji · 10/02/2016 06:41

It will be interesting to follow the battle between the other contenders for the Republic nomination.

Kasich gained positions as did Bush in relation to Cruz and Rubio and Trump kept a third of the electorate. The next few months will be very interesting. If it continues like this, two thirds of the delegates that are not mandated for Trump will be very decisive. We could end up with a strong Republican nomination for any candidate. But the fat lady has not sung yet and there are a few delegates to fight over for.

Mistigri · 10/02/2016 08:55

The vast majority of the delegates are still to be chosen, Iowa and NH are small states.

Not sure the NH results tell us much. Trump and Sanders were expected to win, and they did, so they certainly haven't harmed their chances of winning the nomination, but whether they have helped it much we don't know yet.

No-hope candidates should start dropping out of the republican field now (Fiorina and Carson and probably Christie too), will be interesting to see who gets their votes. Cruz might get Carson/ Fiorina votes, and Kasich ex-Christie supporters?

It seems to me that the story of the night is that Kasich - a republican politican hardly anyone has heard of and who operates under the considerable disadvantage of not being certifiably insane - came second!

claig · 10/02/2016 09:36

Good analysis, Mistigri.

Both Trump and Cruz are anti-estbalishment. The Establishment hate Cruz but in my opinion he will just end up as one of their puppets so they could eventually come to accept him. Carson and Fiorina are also both outsiders (not part of the despised political class) and therefore their votes will probably go to anti-establshment candidates - Fiorina's probably more so to Cruz, whereas Carson's could go to Trump or Cruz.

Christie is Estabishment and a bit liberal so his votes will probably go straight to Kasich who is 100% Establishment and 100% politically correct (similar to a Labour Party apparatchik together with the same type of politically correct Oxbridge spin doctor speak). He even waves his hands about in Blairite fashion as he drops the same spin doctor buzzwords like "inclusive" etc. That is why Kasich doesn't stand a chance from here on in. Kasich did well because as he never tired of telling us, he did the most town halls in history in New Hampshire as he spent nearly all of his time and his budget there. He is system, Establishment and won't fly with the masses elsewhere. He is competent, a good manager and all that, but the people have moved beyond that, they no longer want puppet.

In South Carolina, Trump and Cruz are expected to do well as it is more conservative. My guess is that Trump will win again and keep on winning. A Fox commentator said that the Republican Establishment now have "an insurgency on their hands - it's real, it's famous, it's funded and it's not going away". The problem is that Trump needs to win so many more delegates than the Establishment candidates because the Republican elite will try and take the nomination away from him otherwise at a brokered convention in a desperate attempt to stop their worst nightmare, the populist Trump.

Rubio (now known as Robotio) was their main hope of a candidate that they could all coalesce around to try to stop Trump 2016. But he flopped after his robotoc debate performance where he spouted Establishment type spin. The significant result is that "low energy" Jeb Bush is still in it for the Establishment. He has burned through millions of special interest dollars already and has fallen flat, but he is still standing and still has money behind him. He is going to bring George W Bush out to help him in South Carolina and he has a good ground game there so he may still hold his head above water there for the Establishment side.

Trump is unstoppable but will the Establishment outwit him and deprive him in some way? That is still to be seen. But the people are with Trump and the entertainment will continue as Trump tears up the rule book and breaks every Establishment convention laid down by the paid for political class of handlers and spinners. The Establishment panic is still on and the midnight oil burns in their offices as their teenage whizzkids desperately try to find a trick that will beat Trump and the American people.

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