Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

[januarybrown1998]

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The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

I would imagine they will have a problem trying to recruit any more police either, who would want to do that job now.

A Norwegian friend sent me this.

Interesting background reading about the difference in background immigrant vetting in Nordic countries.

I do care actually glen and I haven't twisted words. The words speak for themselves.

I'm shocked by the tragic events in Sweden today. A lovely young girl from the me.

very interesting January and worrying.

twisted and widow I have no problems with discussion, even when very robust, but I do take issue with anyone who takes a snippet out of posts, twists words and uses them to insinuate others are racist, cruel, etc and who posts repeatedly without ever acknowledging thoughts or evidence posted by others. I have been here on MN for many years and have never before encountered a poster who makes me feel like I am banging my head on a brick wall. I suspect others feel the same and the frustration at the disruption of good information and discussion sometimes boils over

I might disagree with stuff you say but I would defend all of our rights to hold different views. I am happy to listen to opposing points of view and will take them on board and change my views when I am convinced by someone else's argument or new information as would most intelligent people. It is sad that some will not consider any point but their own and are happy to derail threads to keep spouting it

I have been here on MN for many years and have never before encountered a poster who makes me feel like I am banging my head on a brick wall.

Yes 100% I have not been here as long as some but good few years now, and never ever ever come up against such a poster. Well there is one actually, over in education but this is a different level.

Its hard not to respond as many of the comments are wide sweeping and un just, But we must try and ignore going forward.

Its best to ignore, it really is.

Calmyo

''So learning to swim at least for women and girls is considered a great evil, no wonder it's a lot of the women and young children that die on the crossing I expect most of them cannot swim'.

I have never come across any evidence that Syrian girls are discouraged from learning to swim or that swimming is considered a 'great evil'. Where is yours?

Then the last bit, 'no wonder it's a lot of young children that die on the crossing. I expect most of them cannot swim.' You seem to be linking not being able to swim to the spurious claim that Syrian girls are not allowed to swim. I say Syrian, because a lot of the ones drowning seemto be Syrian.

Quite aside from the fact there is no evidencegirls swimming is frowned on by Syrians

quite a lot of young children can't swim because they haven't learnt
youngsters are frequnetly squashed and almost suffocating in overcrowded boats, if that boat then sinks it is hardly surprising they drown

the boats sink, swimming up from the wreckage is a bit tricky

the sea is freezing, so couple cold with rolling water and the strongest swimmer can drown

people mostly don't have life vests or safety rafts

EU doesn't provide rescue boats, only volunteers do

SO, I think from the above, it is not hard to see that the women and girls are not likely to be drowning just because of inability to swim.

I haven't twisted your words. There they are. Have a look. They don't make much sense.

Will the linked articles are also interesting. I've roughly translated the Norwegian one that talks about how they are not allowing ghettoes to evolve and the emphasis they put on proper integration (sports clubs in particular).

The issue of Swedish media blackouts and effectively gagging critics of the open-door policy is also worrying.

Perhaps we now have Glavlit here

Http:www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/swedens-self-inflicted-nightmare.html?_r=0

We can do refugees and ourselves more good if we keep our societies. There is a logical limit to how many people any society can assimilate in a short space of time, and Sweden seems to be the real life example of that principle. We won't help many people if we destroy ourselves in the process. Surely best to welcome the most vulnerable while spending the money we would have spend supporting healthy, young, male economic migrants instead on development projects in the areas of greatest need.

Sorry, let me try that link again:

www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/swedens-self-inflicted-nightmare.html?_r=0

Great nut article, 2016.

2016 that's a good point.

Yet time and again I hear the virtue-signalling call of 'yes but what is British culture? Oh that's just imperialist bollocks and patriotism is the bedfellow of nazi-ism' all the while patronisingly fighting for intolerable practices to be overlooked and absorbed in the name of encouraging immigrant culture.

I know and have lived in many other cultures and I am realistic about the good and bad of all.

But those nuances are ignored and the worry about preserving society here is dismissed as xenophobic racism.

It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid and frightening.

N. Y. T !!!

I'm on an iPad. How do I message a poster? If I swipe left I get reply,post etc. T v m

My final response to you Emily. Those are not my words so, again, you are twisting things in attributing to me things I have not said

BBC report 22/1/16 on Greek Coastguard rescue
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35383371

"The Greek coastguard said it had rescued 26 people from the sinking of the wooden sailboat off Kalolimnos, but that it had recovered 34 bodies - 16 women, 11 children and seven men."

Calm - I'm thinking we should adopt the horrified face( ) as a yawn. aaaaarrghhhwwwnnnghhhh.

How on earth are they not your words? It's a direct quote from you.

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Wordsaremything: Really good post. Thanks for reposting it.
Grace: "I read that post myself and thought it superb. Taken from the top of my head : Uganda, where it's illegal to be gay. Can we physically take those millions? "

That exact point (gay people in countries like Uganda) was raised by, if I remember rightly, David Goodhart in a discussion on whether we need to change the definition of refugee.

The problem is that the parameters of "refugee" were created in a time when few people could travel. Now, many can. There is a need to be a bit more practical.

No Emily they are not my words, they were posted by somebody else as part of a discussion yesterday (around 4.50pm) which I was not part of and not even online at that time.

I await your apology

Calm I'm sorry to say, you will wait forever.

Actually Emily Calmyo is completely correct in this case, it was my question that you are referring to, so I suggest you take the trouble to be completely accurate before you make any accusations, something you don't seem to be too bothered about unless it suits your purpose. Now I have set that straight I suggest you apologise to Calmyo for your error with good grace.

To return to your point, yes I know that young children will be unlikely to be able to swim to the standard that would help in this situation, I have one myself so that it is quite obvious to me, if it was worded badly please excuse me, but often I post in a very quick break from work (self employed before you have a go about that too!) and am very busy so often don't shift focus well. But I do think an adult female with the ability to swim fairly well would have an advantage in this situation. It means you are less likely to panic and may be able to at least tread water long enough to make rescue a possibility. But it may be that the women are trying to hold onto the kids as well and get dragged under that way too.

Personally I get angry at the fact they are having to risk the crossing at all. I would like to see help to process all these people in Turkey so they can be settled and know where they are going and not face this then a long walk with small children. And those people selling fake life jackets, I don't know how they can sleep knowing they are sending people to their deaths.

I did read an article that it is forbidden for Saudi women to attend swimming pools as they are all accessible to men. Strangely trying on clothes in a shop is too and buying a Barbie doll.