Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

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The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

Help I'm not sure which way is best, I'll have a think. I'm a bit busy right now but I'll be back later hopefully.

Moreshabby, are you going to ask all the posters on this thread where they are from and ask non UK ones to leave the discussion? No, didn't think so.

Emily says "I have a friend that used to wake up to a family members nightmares because of their experiences during the holocaust."

What makes you think that I am not helping refugees? Based on what? I was in Yarl's Wood only 3 weeks ago.

You have a friend who bla bla bla. Well I had family members who were wrecked by their experiences. Not someone at arm's length, but persons living with me - so dont preach to me.

I understand very well why they resist claiming asylum in France. Why dont you wise up a bit and start talking like a well-informed person. Not everyone arriving is a good person with good intentions towards Europe. There is nothing wrong in wanting to protect one's country, county, town and neighbourhood.

Most of the people who entered Europe in 2015 and continue to do so are not from Iraq, Syria, S.Sudan - the current war areas. If you knew just a bit about statistics, you would understand you cannot decant a litre into a pint pot.

You take the total number of single men who entered and you multiple that by 4. In approx 6-10 yrs time that will be 4 persons occupying space of 1. Man will marry (usually a women from his homeland) and they will produce minimum of 2 children. That is a nightmare for any nation and its leaders to deal with. Verstehen Sie? Infrastructure and services in the UK are already creaking. And that's not even including the menacing attitude that some of these men have towards women.

HelpTheAnimals, I’ve just read through this thread and am staggered and appalled by some of the things you’ve said, largely unchallenged by all but a few who have doggedly challenged your outrageous views.

Just wondered if everyone here is really, honestly comfortable with a poster who has said things like:

“The father of those two little boys and their mother who drowned said himself that it was his fault. I saw him on TV at the time. To some extent it was, because the very least he could have done was to buy them lifebelts. Apparently, the family lived in Turkey for 2 yrs and the shops there did a roaring trade in such items. Remember, they were setting off at night so it must hv been terrifying. I think that just maybe one other member of that family could hv survived if Dad had bought lifebelts. He had money from his sister, and she said that her brother was keen to get to Canada and have extensive dental work done.”

and a whole host of drip-drip, designed-to-spread-fear posts like this one -

“ So no one really knows how much sympathy there is for IS in the UK.I do know that schoolkids, boys of around 14., are very interested in what is transpiring. I know from my own kids that Asian boys sit in the park with a laptop and look at propaganda channels espousing the overthrow of the Infidel.”

and, the icing on the cake, apparent sympathy for the far-Right mass murderer Anders Breivik.

“That's how I view all the EU countries, as well as Norway & Finland who I thought had more sense. They are not EU and did not have to allow so many migrants to settle in their countries.

Dont we all understand Breivik's pov, just a little? It seems no one is listening and the great & the good who run countries appear to be impervious to what they have allowed to happen to their grandchildren's generation.”

I’m utterly flabbergasted that posts like this have been allowed to stand.

Good luck with your petition, by the way. I wondered if maybe THIS is the one you’d prefer us all to sign, though? That’s surely the true subtext of all your posts on this thread.

www.theguardian.com/books/2014/dec/16/michel-houllebecq-france-submission-soumission-muslim-islam-president

I was waiting for a friend of op to pop up. Here you are, welcome.

No, not a friend of the OP, not a sock puppet, just someone else who thinks your views are pretty frightening.

Emily did I ask you to leave the thread? No, I did not. Your posts give me great amusement.

Help- insinuating sock puppeting seems a rather feeble response.

Twisted "Help- insinuating sock puppeting seems a rather feeble response."

When did I insinuuate that. You seem to be a little confused today.

didyoureally I never said you were a sock puppet. You really do make things up dont you? I said a friend.

I'm confused, Help. What have I made up?

Would actually rather hear from any other posters on the thread though. I genuinely would like to know if any others here 'understand Breivik's point of view'. I'm relieved to say that I don't.

Emily I'm interested to know what you'd make of my experience and how I've come to these conclusions. I'm not some Cotswold-dwelling, pearl-wearing librarian who's never been further east than hendon services!

I spent half my life living and working overseas (incl. ME) and have travelled extensively. I moved back to the UK within the last couple of years seeing my little corner of Western Europe changing in ways I was not prepared to "tolerate".

Many of my friends & associates "less tolerant" of raping women/tossing homosexuals off buildings/shitting in swimming pools etc., are those who have travelled extensively - including those within the aid industry who have dedicated literally decades to e.g., Somalia - and others in the PMC industry who see the shit up close and personal.

Going back to the first couple of hundred posts on the very first post of this long running thread and we had participation from women who'd been born and raised under those regimes - I only remember the woman from Algeria, but there were others.

Help, your attitude to refugees and Muslims suggests to me very strongly you would not be helping them.

You don't protect a country by leaving people to starve and die or denigrating a whole section of people. It just sows more discord and misery really. I'm far more afraid of your views than I am of refugees. I'm frightened of what is happening in the world, this pivotal shift in history, but I'm not frightened of the people running away.

I'm frightened of Isis. I'm not frightened of the people running away from Isis.

I'm frightened of people that want to arrest refugees from running from death and terror.

I'm frightened of the people that say we should only help Christians.

I'm frightened of the people that call those saving lives 'do gooders' and laugh at them.

The 'compassionate revolution' I mentioned is not about overthrowing any government, it is about the only good thing that we can take from this, that we cast off our selfishness and greed and our apathy, that we challenge the belief that we can't do anything about the bad things in the world because they happen to other people.

I am fearful of the citizens of these countries that don't challenge their government and fellow citizens. mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0SB06620151018

Amazing how many posters feel the need to defend themselves whilst constantly under Emilys attack, and yet she is allowed to persist

How many posters have had to address her bile on here?

And never had an appropriate response.

Mumsnet say Mumsnet is what we make it, so how do we deal with a persistent poster like Emily who has offended and upset so very many of us??????

emilybohemia Mon 25-Jan-16 16:19:54

You emily are the poster who continues to make rude remarks about the people fleeing persecution.

You are determined to stir up and see hate where there is none

I guess this is why people keep asking you what your agenda is.

It must be hard to live there and be too scared to do anything positive.

What 'attack' all? Is disagreeing with you an attack? If you express this views in the real world, you will likely get responses like mine.

Where have I made rude remarks about people fleeing persecution?

How have I offended you?

you have offended nearly everyone on these threads emily.

Emily you have called someone a nazi on this thread and then refused to apologise, stating when asked for an apology that she "sounds like one". I'd call that an attack.

You have said similar to various posters on all of these threads which have run for thousands of posts. You are persistent

MNHQ told me to ignore.

Wow, I only had a quick catch up earlier while on my lunch, and I cant believe that Emily is still here, I thought the amount of evidence shown in these threads might have changed her perspective a bit if not totally. But no unfortunately.

Wow, I only had a quick catch up earlier while on my lunch, and I cant believe that Emily is still here, I thought the amount of evidence shown in these threads might have changed her perspective a bit if not totally. But no unfortunately.

Wow, I only had a quick catch up earlier while on my lunch, and I cant believe that Emily is still here, I thought the amount of evidence shown in these threads might have changed her perspective a bit if not totally. But no unfortunately.