Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VII

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The events of NYE were shocking enough; the subsequent minimising and under-reporting were an affront to women's rights to equality across Europe.

It's a testament to the tenacity and commitment of this community that we are at thread VII; do join the discussion and feel free to share the links and letters to anyone you think may wish to be part of this important debate.

We are currently awaiting the approval of a petition to parliament.

Shortly we will post links for those who want to take a proactive part in safeguarding the rights of all UK women to live in freedom from the fear of mass sexual assault as we sadly saw in NYE and reports of which are finally seeing daylight across Europe.

I thought it was bad form to search up posters and then use posts from other threads- but whatever. It's my fault for posting on the Internet I suppose. I don't really want to be identifiable in rl.

Disturbance can absolutely take the form of violence and sexual violence. You can call it mental illness if you like. It makes little difference to the point that disturbed behaviour does not come out of nowhere- and it is far too simplistic to put it simply down to 'culture'.

Oh lord heard it all now!

Those that come from war zones may indeed have PTSD but it does not take the form of what happened at the swimming baths.

You may not have been aware of this (not you help) but thousands of women may have and have been classified as suffering PSTD from giving birth - and suffering an horrific experience.

However I have not heard any reports that mothers suffering with PTSD are entering swimming baths to violently assault other human beings.

Or in any other capacity.

And, lets just say they are suffering from mental trauma which has led specifically to sexual assault - can Germany or any other country keep their women safe, when so many young men, act out in this way?

Its the government of each countries first duty to protect its citizens.

'And, lets just say they are suffering from mental trauma which has led specifically to sexual assault - can Germany or any other country keep their women safe, when so many young men, act out in this way?'

Yes Will, I have never come across group acting out of this sort in the UK. I think there is probably a strong cultural element to this group behaviour that is characteristically abusive and aggressive towards women.

Inkanta- perhaps not exactly in this way.
But we certainly have problems with gang violence in the uk.

I don't think expecting refugees and migrants to be grateful for sharing some scraps of our western privelege is helpful

So, all the ME and anywhere but the west is crap is it?

They have a long long way to go when it comes to women's rights but please don't write off entire cultures, and countries in such a horrid way.

This is what gets me about posts like this - so degenerative about these people you purport to feel so much for.

the twisted logic of the far left.

help thank you for sharing about your parents, it must have been painful to write, especially after so much goading. Few of us could look at things from such a perspective.

I think there is probably a strong cultural element to this group behaviour that is characteristically abusive and aggressive towards women

Its obvious to anyone who reads about it, even the comments from young men " in my country if you sex a woman you are shot" etc etc etc.

'But we certainly have problems with gang violence in the uk.'

Have never heard of group behaviour quite like this. It's a different phenomenon.

unlucky great post.

I also know that do gooder meddling type.

Usually the first to abandon ship and cry when their actions lead to catastrophe.

Twisted,

'Disturbance can absolutely take the form of violence and sexual violence. You can call it mental illness if you like. It makes little difference to the point that disturbed behaviour does not come out of nowhere- and it is far too simplistic to put it simply down to 'culture'.'

I agree.

Will, Im talking about economic privilege. We are extremely economically privileged in an outrageously unequal world.

Even then twisted its really important not to write people off.

I have been to some of the dirt poor countries in the world and even then, there are postives and many things to learn and gain. Money isnt everything,

Of course Will. I am not writing anyone off, nor thinking that we are superior in any way! I just find it hard to stomach when we are so resentful about sharing our wealth.

' I just find it hard to stomach when we are so resentful about sharing our wealth.'

Are you saying that if we share our wealth, and not be resentful about sharing it that the problematic group behaviour will stop??

Inkanta, no I don't think there are any simple solutions. But I do think that global inequality is very damaging ultimately for everyone.

Many German people took migrants into their homes, gave them food, shelter, clothes etc, welcomed them, went out of their way to be helpful. If that's not sharing what is it?

I think many people in the west appreciate that they can share, we are first to offer help in many natural disasters, we see it as our responsibility to our fellow humans.

Why would you do horrible things to people who are trying to help you?

We want to help, we want these people from war torn countries to share in our safety...

twisted Surely there is a difference between sharing wealth and jeopardising the freedom of our daughters (and sons for that matter)

I mentioned yesterday about Canada and how families there sponsor refugee families (vetted and approved before arrival) and help them settle in with financial and social support. I would be happy to see a system like that but not one that imports large gangs of violent and abusive young men to traumatise others, regardless of their background

calm we are doing that in a way we are taking genuine refugees from Syria.

Thank goodness.

In all of this the petition has become lost are we allowed to see the final wording? I know its been submitted and we are waiting again.

Twisted said: "Disturbance can absolutely take the form of violence and sexual violence. You can call it mental illness if you like. It makes little difference to the point that disturbed behaviour does not come out of nowhere- and it is far too simplistic to put it simply down to 'culture'."

PTSD - which is the most relevant disturbance for someone from a war zone - is expressed differently. There are strict guidelines laid down for the diagnosis of PTSD. I think that that particular event in the swimming baths does not come from disturbance, but from a desire of those men to convey that no signage, no laws will stop them participating in their favourite hobby.

If mass organised sexual assaults on Women was a PTSD symptom, why are UK armed forces not displaying the same symptoms?

Well, squaddies can partake in "enthusiastic flirtation" - but what happens on UK streets/bars/clubs (with rare exception) is that their friends will say "wind yer neck in mate, time for you to go home" - apologise to the woman in question and stuff him in a cab, kebab in hand.

I've got PTSD and suffer a dazzling array of mental health issues. I've also been all over the world but have never had a wank in a swimming pool.

I'm afraid I've not been able to keep up with the entire thread(s), but keen to know if Emily has been able to offer a solution to this problem or just a repetition of the outstanding display of virtue-signalling?

I have not anywhere said that it was caused by ptsd. PTSD is a particular set of symptoms caused by trauma.
It is not the only possible outcome of experiencing trauma.
I have no idea whether or not these men also experience symptoms of PTSD.

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Well done Help :D

Grace No, I asked emily for her suggestions upthread but, unsurprisingly, there has been no coherent response just repetition of the same old arguments

Twisted You are trying to find psychological reasons for depraved and callous behaviour. You are talking about young children who may act out their hurt and anger. These are not young children, but rather young men who want to digitally rape and molest women in a swimming pool. It is called misogyny and contempt, my friend. I suspect it is their upbringing and reinforcement of bad behaviour in their society and a sense of entitlement regardless of where they are in the world.